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  1. #11

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by swinkler View Post
    YES!! Fantastic work David. It's recognizable Sosnowski for sure. I think your percussion writing is getting better and better.

    I have to ask if this is a Finale rendering? I'm assuming it is but I hear some effects that I wonder how you achieve, like the timpani gliss toward the beginning and the clarinet gliss toward the end.

    Very nice work. I'd like to see a score when you get a chance to post that.
    I appreciate the enthusiastic reception!

    The timpani effect is a "rolled bend" -- there's a symbol for that
    looks like ^ in the tools. The clarinet gliss is notated.

    The score, alas, will be a while, yet.

    Best,


    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  2. #12

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by qccowboy View Post
    David, as always, fascinating music.
    It's maybe a tiny bit more "modern" than I prefer, but you always manage to keep your music "modern yet lyrical" which is a tremendous feat, and so much a signature of your musical identity. It was interesting to hear a literal repetition toward the end of a moment from earlier in the piece.

    I'd obviously rather hear this with a choir actually singing the words.

    quick opinion on the rendering: I find the snare and percussion at the opening a bit too "clear", not quite enough distance, makes it sound even more "artificial". which is a shame, the rest of the rendering is great (as always with your stuff!! damn you )
    Thanks for the kind remarks, Michel.

    I'd rather hear it with a live choir, as well.

    I agree on the percussion. I tried various ways of dealing
    with it, but no matter what I did -- it either vanished into
    obscurity or, as you hear it now, it's a little too "present".
    It's so integral to the forward motion in many places, though,
    I chose to accept that.

    Overall, this was real bear to render -- with the broad dynamic
    range, a lot of compromises had to be made.

    My best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  3. #13

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by sd cisco View Post
    Extremely good, David!
    Exciting and clear action and interaction, between all parts, with the Brass and Percussion demonstrating best practices and novel tricks at every turn. The Winds and Strings are well done and in spite of it's "modern" sound, this music is emotional. Contrasts in all elements, the black and white, hot and cold, loud and soft, aggressive and then retreating; I think these things are used throughout and are characteristic of your musical style. And it is a long piece, with many moving parts and, long as it was, on both listens, it became like a story you didn't really want to end, yet still did end, and end very well! Only downside for me was the Choir.
    I use the GPO4 Choir for the tenor and bass parts only. I understand you wanted to stay within the "G" tool set, so my only suggestion would be, if you could try offsetting the starting points of the vocal parts, so they are staggered a little, that usually can add an bit more realism.
    But the Choir parts themselves are "understood" in this render and I like the concept. Your ability to work and create this music, puts you on the high ground, in my view. The intricacy of your thoughts and the evidence of your courage, are everywhere at once. This stands beside your very best work.
    Thank you for posting!!!!!

    Best regards,
    sd cisco
    Thanks, SD.

    As I said earlier, for my skills -- not the greatest at rendering
    -- this was a real challenge, especially the choir. I know it
    will work in live performance; but in rendering... I found it very
    difficult to have that choir pull to the front enough, and though
    the general sound of the choir is fine it comes off a bit artificial.

    On the other hand, as you say, it does at least get the idea
    across.

    All the best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  4. #14

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by sunbird View Post
    What a courageous journey into the depth of one’s soul…!

    A massive work, David, with so much going on… dangerous encounters…
    chaos… uncertainty… and their opposites…

    There are less pastoral moments than in your previous works,
    but there were at least two places which reminded me of Mahler.

    As usual, an immaculate work! Bravo!


    ~ Yudit ~
    Many thanks, Yudit.

    And of course I steal from Mahler. I always do... lol.

    All my best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  5. #15

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Just finished listening to your newest (?) work. Also, just finished reading the comments to this piece.

    Without a doubt, a professional recording of a live performance of any orchestral work will sound more "real" than a rendered recording created by either a notation program or a sequencing one. I agree with the points/comments about the spacial "placement" of the percussion and the artificial sound of the "choir", but this ain't a recording of a live performance by real performers. As a rendered recording, using the software-based instruments at hand, the sound "Revelation" was clear and convincing. Nice job on the rendering!!

    From a compositional and orchestral point of view. . . it seems that you've "married" (right now, I can't think of a better descriptive word - LOL!) the interaction between the choir, percussion and the rest of the orchestra superbly! You're level of compositional abilities is a bit beyond my reach to comment on in more precise manner. (Plus, it's been 30+ years since I've studied music and used correct musical terminology in a sentence! LOL!) But in speaking in more general terms, I LOVE how you contrast the more "dissonant" sound of this piece with the more "consonant" (is that the correct term??) sounds to help shape the story found within this composition. So, I'm going to say it again similar to what I've said before with regards to your music, this is a well-written composition! (There, I've said it. . . again! LOL!)

    Bottom line is this, though. . . I'd pay money to hear this piece performed by a live orchestral and choir! LOL!

    Are there plans to have this piece performed by a live orchestra and choir? I hope so!! In the meantime, thank you for sharing such wonderful music, David. It may be shared in "rendered form", created by some sequencing or notational software, but it's still GREAT music!

    Ted
    Music and humor are healthy for the soul.

  6. #16

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Maestro,
    you see, I'm not great at analyzing music – neither in my own language – so I let myself rely on the pure pleasure of listening. And your work gives me always a lot of it.

    PS. I recently stepped into the music of Kalevi Aho and Gloria Coates. May I ask you if you like their work?
    Fabio
    Arrigo Beyle / Milanese / Lived, wrote, loved -- Stendhal
    Being Italian is a full-time job -- B. Severgnini

  7. #17

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Jack,

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhap2 View Post
    Can't let this get too far down without more exposure.......lol

    David:

    A great piece and one that you have to listen to more than once to fully
    comprehend or acknowledge what it is all about (in my opinion).

    I should start by saying that the BRASS carries this piece, but not that much
    more than all of its other, included orchestral friends.
    Thanks for picking up on that, Jack. One of the design objectives
    in this piece was to shift much of the usual responsibility of the
    strings as the orchestral backbone over to the brass.

    The results are one of the aspects of the piece with which I am the
    least pleased. There's a certain brashness and coloristic conformity
    that emerges from an approach like this which, overall, in a piece of
    this length, leads to a degree of color fatigue.

    From the beginning, the brass is very prominent and then at 1m49s there is a
    nice, soft dynamic change. At 2m50s mysterious and provoking; then, at 3m25s,
    more contrasting dynamics.

    At 5m42s, another beautiful change with LESS sectional instrument movement.
    Very "settled."

    I would have to say, in my listening opinion, that this composition is a study of
    RISING and FALLING orchestral transformational passages CONNECTED by
    SILENCE. Throughout the entire piece, periods of SILENCE enhance the listener's
    interest of what is to follow. Interesting how silence can add so much to a
    composition.
    Silence is one of the most useful -- and least used -- compositional
    elements, Jack. In a very basic sense, it's the ultimate expression of
    contrast -- that most fundamental driver of musical momentum.

    Silence also provides the listener breathing space, rest, a moment to
    collect their thoughts and absorb what they've been hearing.

    From a more technical viewpoint, silence is also a superb modulation
    tool that will work when almost nothing else will, and do it whilst
    progressing through the least possible amount of musical space-time.

    A really great passage starts around the 13m mark where a long, progressive
    crescendo begins and includes much "fire" and "ferocity" on its 2 minute march to
    closure.
    I'm glad that came across, at least somewhat, Jack. To tell you
    the truth, I was running out of dynamic rope! This again was a
    case of running into the wall of the limitations of my rendering
    ability. While this will definitely work in performance, getting a
    box full of wires to do it justice was beyond my skills.

    BRAVO, David

    Jack
    As always, Jack, many thanks for your kind comments and your
    astute reflections...

    All the best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  8. #18

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Rich,

    Quote Originally Posted by RichR View Post
    David,

    This piece grows on me. I am listening a second time and hearing more of the detail. It is very organic with ideas growing out of previous seeds or germs.
    That's often my modus operandi, I guess; but I admit
    to being somewhat concerned about this being a little too
    sectional, too... almost episodic.

    The voices become one with the instruments and and a nice color to the texture. I love how you music is so transparent (no matter how many instruments you use).
    I confess I'm not quite certain why that is. Certainly
    I pay reasonable attention to good practice in orchestration;
    but I think it's also perhaps a consequence of the harmonic
    language.

    And there are definitely places in this piece, notably the
    end, where the density of sound is heavier than I normally
    like... though it was necessary to the construction.

    The brass flourishes and the judicious placement of bass drum and crash cymbals really punctuates this piece. This is yet another piece that many of us will be analyzing and marveling yet for a long time to come. Thank you so much for being part of this community and sharing your talents with us.
    Many thanks for the listen and the kind words, my friend!

    All the best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  9. #19

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Dan,

    Quote Originally Posted by DPDAN View Post
    I always look forward to hearing David's music.

    WOW David!!!!!
    That really was way cool!
    Thanks!

    Congrats on your great rendering!
    The dynamic range is great too.
    Dan
    The matter of the dynamic range very nearly became
    the subject of a frantic telephone call to you, Dan... lol!

    Gosh, I had a hard time handling that. I literally ran out
    of dynamic rope -- and had to squeegee the recording
    around post facto in an audio editor to get it anywhere
    near right.

    All the best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

  10. #20

    Re: REVELATION - Choir & Symphony Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Ted,

    Quote Originally Posted by efiebke View Post
    Just finished listening to your newest (?) work. Also, just finished reading the comments to this piece.

    Without a doubt, a professional recording of a live performance of any orchestral work will sound more "real" than a rendered recording created by either a notation program or a sequencing one. I agree with the points/comments about the spacial "placement" of the percussion and the artificial sound of the "choir", but this ain't a recording of a live performance by real performers. As a rendered recording, using the software-based instruments at hand, the sound "Revelation" was clear and convincing. Nice job on the rendering!!
    Thanks for the kind word, Ted. And I agree, fully, of course,
    with the shortcomings in the rendering. In part, samples do
    impose limits consistent with their capabilities. But in larger
    degree, this is a case of my skills not quite being equal to the
    task of technically rendering such a large and complex piece.

    From a compositional and orchestral point of view. . . it seems that you've "married" (right now, I can't think of a better descriptive word - LOL!) the interaction between the choir, percussion and the rest of the orchestra superbly! You're level of compositional abilities is a bit beyond my reach to comment on in more precise manner. (Plus, it's been 30+ years since I've studied music and used correct musical terminology in a sentence! LOL!) But in speaking in more general terms, I LOVE how you contrast the more "dissonant" sound of this piece with the more "consonant" (is that the correct term??) sounds to help shape the story found within this composition. So, I'm going to say it again similar to what I've said before with regards to your music, this is a well-written composition! (There, I've said it. . . again! LOL!)
    Thanks, Ted. Now if I could just find some software somewhere
    that would magically handle the rendering part... lol.

    Bottom line is this, though. . . I'd pay money to hear this piece performed by a live orchestral and choir! LOL!
    So would I.

    Are there plans to have this piece performed by a live orchestra and choir? I hope so!!
    Not unless they didn't tell me about it.

    In the meantime, thank you for sharing such wonderful music, David. It may be shared in "rendered form", created by some sequencing or notational software, but it's still GREAT music!

    Ted
    Many thanks for your kind comments, my friend -- I always
    appreciate how much you 've supported my music over the
    years!

    All the best,



    David
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    David Sosnowski
    www.DavidSosnowski.com

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