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    GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete

    Trying to figure out why I only have Major chord Gliss packets... in my folder, there is only one for:
    • A Major
    • B Major
    • C# Major
    • E Major
    • F# Major
    Why are the other seven missing? Other chor type folders are in various state of complete and incompleteness as well. The only web link I can find to download is a dead link.

    I just want a plain old Bb major glissandi.

    Some one please help!

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    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete

    I just found this thread. I too seem to have incomplete harp packets. Also when I import a .MID file from a harp packet it does not go to the track I am importing it to and there is no MIDI info in it that's usable!

    I am using GPO4 with 64bit ARIA in SONAR 8.3.5 64bit on Windows 7 Pro 64bit.

    I feel that I've overlooked something, not having used the harp packets for a few years, but I can't think of what.
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    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete

    Hi,

    Seeing this thread, I got curious myself since I've never used the harp gliss packets. By way of introduction, I'm running GPO4 with Reaper on W7 Hp (32-bit) - although the packets are actually just (ingeniously) MIDI-based. I did some research in the forum and came across an excellent (of course ) vid from DPDan at http://www.dankury.com/tutorials/GPOharppackets.wmv .

    It was only after seeing the video that I realised the logic behind these files. They aren't actually supposed to contain any notes! Rather, they contain controllers for setting up the (7) pedals on the harp which set the instrument's key. In order to use them, you need to record your harp in glissando mode - or be using the glissando harp - on the white keys. Then, as you'll see from Dan's video, you place the packet on a separate track just before the start of your gliss, making sure that the packet is mapped to the same channel as your harp part - the packets are mapped to channel 10 by default, which is probably why they land on the wrong track in Sonar.

    On the subject of the missing packets, there are actually two major key packet folders. One, called simply "Major", is incomplete. The other is called "Major_Scale" and contains a complete list of scales. They are certainly different scalings, judging by a comparison of the MIDI data, but I'm afraid I'm not sufficiently technical about real harps to understand the difference (though blues harps might be a completely different matter ).

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,

    Keith
    Last edited by kastra; 03-19-2011 at 03:17 AM. Reason: Added additional material

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    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete

    Keith,

    Thanks so much for your help. Dan's tutorial, although for Digital Performer (I use SONAR), helped as well in my re-understanding how to use the packets. Thanks for the link.

    The Channel 10 assignment of the packets is puzzling however. I have to take some extra steps to drag the channel next to the harp gliss track and change its channel from 10 to whatever track the harp is using - no big deal but sorta inconvenient. Additionally when I drag the packet into the track view SONAR adds extra blank tracks.

    I can work with it though.

    Thanks again!

    EDIT: Apparently SONAR only adds tracks if there are none between track 1 and 10!
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    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete

    HA HA HA Keith, that was fun watching that toot

    if it is of any value, here is a zipped file of all the harp packets categorized by keys and type...

    http://www.dankury.com/midi/harps.zip

    These files were made for Digital Performer but I believe they should work in Sonar too.
    Dan

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    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete

    Hi,

    reberclark




    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets
    incomplete
    Keith,

    Thanks so much for your help. Dan's tutorial,
    although for Digital Performer (I use SONAR), helped as well in my
    re-understanding how to use the packets. Thanks for the link.

    The Channel
    10 assignment of the packets is puzzling however. I have to take some extra
    steps to drag the channel next to the harp gliss track and change its channel
    from 10 to whatever track the harp is using - no big deal but sorta
    inconvenient. Additionally when I drag the packet into the track view SONAR adds
    extra blank tracks.

    I can work with it though.

    Thanks
    again!

    EDIT: Apparently SONAR only adds tracks if there are none between
    track 1 and 10!
    You're very welcome sir !

    With regard to the MIDI channel number, my guess (and it is just a guess of course) would be that the devs figured that channel 10 would be close enough to the position of the harp in a short-score layout that little re-positioning would be needed in the majority of cases. I must admit, however, that I'm still a bit baffled by the inclusion of two major key packet folders and by the fact that the tunings are so obviously different! Having said that, I'm a "notator" rather than a "keyboard recordist" so I'm not likely to use the packets "in anger" - still, my research will probably continue, since I'm afflicted by the same malady that the cat died of!


    DPDAN




    Re: GPO harp MIDI glisandi packets incomplete
    HA HA HA
    Keith, that was fun watching that toot

    if it is
    of any value, here is a zipped file of all the harp packets categorized by keys
    and type...

    http://www.dankury.com/midi/harps.zip

    These
    files were made for Digital Performer but I believe they should work in Sonar
    too.
    Dan
    Hi Dan,

    Glad the link evoked some nostalgia !

    You certainly have cause to pat yourself on the back for that toot - it has obviously transcended the DAW boundaries on many occasions! Thanks for "lighting the path" for us newbies (and, for that matter, "silver geeks" like yours truly ).
    All the best,

    Keith
    "A musicologist is a man who can read music but cannot hear it!" (Sir Thomas Beecham)

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