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    A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Sonar 8.5.2 Prod.
    I have two keyboards. One piano keyboard connected via MIDI port and the M-Audio Oxygen via USB (obvious!).

    When I want some MIDI controller info written to the track, I used to do that with the piano, with programmable sliders/knobs/wheels. The info was nicely written to the particular track. I could see it being drawn and in PRV mode the curves were there.

    Now, I want to do that with the M-Audio device. I can see the info being drawn, but as soon as I hit "stop" recording, those nice dawings just disappear into ???? as if they weren't written at all. Looking at "Edit" it doesn't say "Undo recording" as if nothing has been recorded at all. Strange, I can see them being drawn, but they aren't there.

    Help please,

    Raymond
    [I also posted this message at the Cakewalk forum]

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Found it myself. Suddenly I "saw" the light. Per track I have to set:

    a. normal MIDI input OMNI
    b. USB input OMNI,

    but they can be combined into ALL INPUTS OMNI, after having done the
    MANAGE PRESETS at the track Input.

    Raymond

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    "...I can see the info being drawn, but as soon as I hit "stop" recording, those nice dawings just disappear into ???? as if they weren't written at all..."

    The only time I've had that happen is when I'm recording but have the wrong track displayed in PRV. For some reason, you can see notes and/or data being recorded, even though the wrong display is up--And when I stop, it all goes >poof!< because it never was actually being recorded in the track I was looking at. But of course then when I see my mistake and go to the correct track's view, all the info I recorded is there.

    That mistake looks exactly like what you're describing - But you must be experiencing something else, otherwise you'd find your data.

    Hummm.

    You've posted at the Sonar Forum, -you could also seek out an M-Audio Forum.

    Randy

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Raymond - I use an M-Audio Oxygen keyboard (in conjunction with my regular keyboard) to input controllers too. BUT I don't use the USB interface of the Oxygen. I found the the latency was too long for my purposes. I use the standard MIDI output.

    I use a MIDISport 2x2 MIDI interface to combine the two data streams (one from my regular keyboard (MIDI Input A) and one from the Oxygen (MIDI Input B)). Works great.
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    Raymond - I use an M-Audio Oxygen keyboard (in conjunction with my regular keyboard) to input controllers too. BUT I don't use the USB interface of the Oxygen. I found the the latency was too long for my purposes. I use the standard MIDI output.

    I use a MIDISport 2x2 MIDI interface to combine the two data streams (one from my regular keyboard (MIDI Input A) and one from the Oxygen (MIDI Input B)). Works great.
    Somewhere such a thing is around, must look for it. My Oxygen25 doesn't have MIDI output. Only one cable USB used for power and datastreams.And the device doesn't have another port.

    Raymond

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Hi Raymond, my Oxygen 8 25-key keyboard is an older version of your Oxygen 25. I can't imagine why they didn't include a MIDI interface in the new version.

    Sorry I can't be more help about the USB midi thing. Your OMNI solution sounds right - that's how I have mine set up in SONAR with the two MIDI inputs (both on channel 1).
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    Hi Raymond, my Oxygen 8 25-key keyboard is an older version of your Oxygen 25. I can't imagine why they didn't include a MIDI interface in the new version.
    Maybe they followed the "modern times" where everything is going to be USB-ed.

    But this issue can have some strange consequences........


    .... quoting part of the answer I've got in Cakewalk Forum

    .......but this is a bug in SONAR that it shows MIDI input for all ports, even if they are not being recorded. This can also lead to truncations of note events when two controllers on different ports are sending on the same channel. If you want to leave both keyboards on the same channel, just keep this in mind until the Bakers fix the bug.


    Raymond

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond62 View Post
    .......but this is a bug in SONAR that it shows MIDI input for all ports, even if they are not being recorded. This can also lead to truncations of note events when two controllers on different ports are sending on the same channel. If you want to leave both keyboards on the same channel, just keep this in mind until the Bakers fix the bug.
    I can understand that - if they are both sending note messages, but if one is sending notes and the other is sending controllers I don't see why there has to be a conflict. SONAR's behavior in my case works fine.

    Would it be possible to recording your notes on one pass, then go back and record your controllers on a second pass?
    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

    http://reberclark.blogspot.com http://reberclark.bandcamp.com http://www.youtube.com/reberclark

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    Re: A Sonar question - USB recorded stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by reberclark View Post
    Would it be possible to recording your notes on one pass, then go back and record your controllers on a second pass?
    Obvious yes. I never record notes directly in SONAR. Ask Randy B. he is doing it all the time. I always have some MIDI coming from notation software. OK, occasionally i amend a note but that in just "editing" not playing.

    Raymond

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