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Topic: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

  1. #41

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamKeitch View Post
    This is a beautiful composition David, with an haunting quality that builds from the opening bars.
    Thank you for the kind word, Graham!

    It's hard to put into words but for me, this work invites visual and interactive participation. I want to be part of it - which is an odd sort of way of saying that a live soloist pouring everything he or she has into this would add even more to my appreciation of it. But that would be a bonus. This GPO recording is a treat as it stands and is one of my favourites from your growing collection of works.
    Though this recording could certainly use improvement
    in the hands of better skills than mine, I agree this is one
    of those pieces that would shine much more brightly at
    the bow of a live performer. I doubt our technologies
    will ever achieve the kind of emotive elements pieces
    like this want...

    Kind regards,

    All my best,

    David Sosnowski

  2. #42

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by sosmus View Post
    Whew! An emotional trip for me because of your harmonic language, as well as your melodic sense. I stand in wonderment and awe!

    Thanks for listening, Steve.

    And I apologize, my friend, if my abstruse harmonic
    excursions elevated your blood pressure... lol!

    Seriously, I appreciate the good word, Steve.

    All my best,

    David Sosnowski

  3. #43

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Ron,

    Quote Originally Posted by rpearl View Post

    It's hard to know which to congratulate first - your skill at composing, or your skill at manipulating the Strad:
    I can't take much credit for the Strad work, Ron;
    I arrive where I do largely by feeling my way
    around in the dark. "Does that sound right?"
    Eh. No? Do it over. And over. And over.

    both gave us a very broad range of sound, emotion, and expressive texture. The exploiting of the lushness of the string orchestra against the solo violin is brilliant - similar, yet so very different in their sounds. I confess that I am baffled by the "Damaged" appellation; "beauty" seems to suffice.
    Thanks, Ron. There's a story behind that title;
    pretty funny one, too; but I think I'll skip that...
    you had to be there.

    The contrast between solo violin and orchestra
    was one of those "try it, see if it works" deals.
    The backing strings are all con sordino, through-
    out... and the violin purposefully kept in a range
    that tends toward a little harder sound with most
    players. The trick was to get all that to work, even
    though the solo is often voiced right into the
    backing texture. Of course, that was also what
    gave me hives trying to mix this decently... lol.

    While all your music is so worthy, I feel this piece especially deserves live performances; would that we had it in our power to make it so. Until then, we will make do with this, which is a very satisfying journey. Thanks for that, several times over.

    All the best,
    I appreciate the kind words, my friend. Of all
    my vagrant children, I'd be most interested to hear
    this one live, myself.

    All my best,

    David Sosnowski

  4. #44

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)


    Amazing...as always.

    A recent visit to a possible Masters program gave me the advice to seek out Modern composers to listen to...you rank at the top of my favorites...I should point your work out to the head of the program. See what he thinks of that! LOL I was told to listen to everything I could get my grubby little hands on...so that the influence would seep into me and come out in my writing. That being said...do not be surprised if your influence is heard. I figured that I should warn you...of course, no one would let me get away with ripping you off on here! LOL

    Again...as always, your work is haunting, beautiful, and an inspiration to us all.


    Prowland the posting Ninja

  5. #45

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Beautiful definitely and very well written.

    I think something is hidden in this music in depth but couldn't find it...well just I feel like that.

    Great work as usual, David. Thanks for sharing.

    Jun Yamamoto
    Tokyo, Japan

  6. #46

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by rolifer View Post

    I hear more of a Haunting Beauty, but to each their own.
    Thanks, Ron...

    I am a little pissed because this one will be difficult to steal without being obvious.
    Ingenuity, my friend, ingenuity! Try playing it

    I assume that the other strings are GPO and that you employed the lush patches, but can you be more detailed in the production end of this? What patches, reverb settings, tweaks done in KP2, etc that you used or did? Anything out of the ordinary would be interesting to know. I am also curious as to the time spent on this.
    Yes, it's the GPO lush mutes, Ron.

    As per my usual, this is simply scored in Finale. I didn't
    tweak K... just used the default settings -- and of course,
    positioned and leveled the instruments with the Finale

    Thereafter, I recorded the .wav without Ambience; and
    put a little IR on it with SIR.

    That's about it. There was a great deal of fiddling with
    level with the Strad -- heck of a time getting that to blend
    the way I wanted, and I'm still not happy with that aspect
    of it...

    Well done

    All my best,

    David Sosnowski

  7. #47

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Rich,

    Quote Originally Posted by RichR View Post
    This is beautifully damaged music, David.
    Thanks for the good word, my friend...

    Those chords are so lush, yet they are not quite standard in sound (more like they were damaged) but in such a beautiful way. I am so impressed how you intertwine the voicing that backs the soloist. Speaking of the soloist, what a lament it is projecting. This is a simple piece here that is not for the simple minded. I love the depth and emotional effects you create.
    This would be an interesting one to take apart, if you
    have an interest. It's very, very brief (only 38 measures);
    and built out of clear and very minimal means.

    Thanks for another wonderful creation.
    Thanks for always listening, Rich. I've got a great deal
    of catching up to do, listening, myself, in the LR...!

    My best,

    David Sosnowski

  8. #48

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by wrayer View Post

    That's why we write, no truer words have been stated about music. [If we could say it in words, we wouldn't need the music.]

    What continues to ever fascinate me, Bill, is the universality
    of the language, nonetheless -- that, almost without fail,
    most of us come away with very much the same "message"
    from a piece of music.


    David Sosnowski

  9. #49

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Quote Originally Posted by jsp2 View Post
    Hauntingly beautiful, David!

    Really enjoyed this somber arrangement.

    A subtle portrait of longing, sorrow and even moments of despair.
    As mentioned, It too reminded me of John Corigliano's The Red Violin.

    The Strad work was terrific.. btw!

    Bravo, My friend

    Thanks much for the kind comments, Jeff.

    I've got to look up that Corigliano piece -- remiss of me,
    I know, but I don't think I've ever heard it!

    All my best,

    David Sosnowski

  10. #50

    Re: DAMAGED BEAUTY - Violin & String Orchestra (Sosnowski)

    Hi Del,

    Quote Originally Posted by DelCarry View Post
    David, i listened to this a while ago and could not comment at the time, but I must say I like it better the more I listen to it. 4 times now! Love the lush orchestral stuff in the background and the numerous changes - bit of a departure for you I must say but it still has that Sosnowski thing to it. Very haunting, moody and mysterious! Almost cinematic or would go great with a similar feeling drama.
    I admire your endurance, Del... lol! Seriously, thanks for
    the kind words on it.

    I know how much time you spent on mixing this (I am also another frustrated noobie classical mixer who needs to spend more (not less) time perfecting and learning that mixing part of my music) but I would suggest "less" something on the STrad. (whether that being reverb, volume or EQ - don't know without trying it) The non-strad instruments I thought were perfectly mixed by the way!
    I agree with you (and others) on the Strad -- but, gosh,
    the more tricks I tried and the more I fiddled with it, the
    worse it got... rofl!

    I finally just backed off to basics, and called it a day.

    Lately, I have been experimenting with a technique where I try to fatten up the Strad sound by doubling the frozen Strad "audio" track, (make a copy and pan them to opposite sides (3/4's-not extreme left of right though) Boost(EQ) the lower and mid range-& cut the 2-4K range a bit, then leave the other track alone to provide the definition. As with all things, one must play with the volume (balance) and EQ of the two tracks to get the desired effect. Give them both different reverb as if I was recording with 2 mikes in 2 different places - one close and one back. This tends to work better when only a few instruments are used in the mix but would tend to get lost the more instruments you have. I have heard that recording engineers even try to fill out a "real violin" as they tend to come off too thin as well. I find myself wishing I could spend just a while with a real seasoned recording engineer and just soak it all in.

    Thanks for sharing this loverly piece!
    Almost forgot - a very apt name you came up with! Half the fun, right?

    - Del
    Thanks for the outline of that technique, Del... I've gotta
    think about that, maybe give it a try. I see where you're
    going with the approach -- looks interesting.

    My best,

    David Sosnowski

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