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    MOZART SYMPHONY No. 29 in A (GPO)

    Rendered in Cubase 4 with GPO for all instruments.
    Main problem during mixing: disguising the machine gun effect on the short bowing of strings.
    If anyone can help in solving this issue please post.

    Mozart - Symphony No. 29


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    Re: MOZART SYMPHONY No. 29 in A (GPO)

    Ray,
    First, let me say congrats on a splendid rendition of this Mozart favorite. The interpretation is top notch and I thoroughly enjoyed it. On the issue of machine gunning there is little you can do as it is the attack of the samples that causes the effect. I have found only one technique that helps and I don't know if Cubase can do it. Set up two or three sets of section strings for each section in layers (unison). Then randomly vary the start times of the notes by a few milli-seconds so that each is coming in at a slightly different time. It helps a little.
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    Ray,

    Very high quality rendering!!! BRAVO.

    I do not really detect severe issues with the rapid repeating notes. One approach is to change the stress on the note occasionally with markings. I have not tried it myself using Finale.

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    Excellent job on this, Ray, and a fine interpretation
    of it, at that! Very well done, a pleasure to hear.

    On those machine-gunners, one trick I use is to
    vary the dynamic slightly across the repeated notes;
    often that will help, though that may be difficult
    to accomplish with this material.

    With applause,


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    Ray, congratulations on some superb work. In a piece like this, each instrument is very exposed - yet you've managed to make each sound so real. The trumpets especially sound good. May I ask which patches you're using here please?

    Regards, Graham

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    Re: MOZART SYMPHONY No. 29 in A (GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by valhalx
    Ray,
    First, let me say congrats on a splendid rendition of this Mozart favorite. The interpretation is top notch and I thoroughly enjoyed it. On the issue of machine gunning there is little you can do as it is the attack of the samples that causes the effect. I have found only one technique that helps and I don't know if Cubase can do it. Set up two or three sets of section strings for each section in layers (unison). Then randomly vary the start times of the notes by a few milli-seconds so that each is coming in at a slightly different time. It helps a little.
    Bill
    Thanks for listening and sharing your tip. I am able to try it in Cubase when I get a chance.

    Cheers Bill,

    Ray

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    Re: MOZART SYMPHONY No. 29 in A (GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by GaryBric
    Ray,

    Very high quality rendering!!! BRAVO.

    I do not really detect severe issues with the rapid repeating notes. One approach is to change the stress on the note occasionally with markings. I have not tried it myself using Finale.

    Gary

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    Thanks Gary for your valued opinion,

    I did my best to disguise the rapid note issue by lowering the levels while they were doing their worst. The original samples I used while realizing this piece didn't have a lot of attack, so I got away with it better then, but GPO generally gives a much better performance.

    Cheers

    Ray

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    Re: MOZART SYMPHONY No. 29 in A (GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    Excellent job on this, Ray, and a fine interpretation
    of it, at that! Very well done, a pleasure to hear.

    On those machine-gunners, one trick I use is to
    vary the dynamic slightly across the repeated notes;
    often that will help, though that may be difficult
    to accomplish with this material.

    With applause,


    David
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    I tried the varying dynamics thing but on this type of fiddle playing it is quite hard to disguise. Perhaps a controller slowing the attack would work if there was one.

    Thanks for your much appreciated observations David,

    Ray

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    Re: MOZART SYMPHONY No. 29 in A (GPO)

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamKeitch
    Ray, congratulations on some superb work. In a piece like this, each instrument is very exposed - yet you've managed to make each sound so real. The trumpets especially sound good. May I ask which patches you're using here please?

    Regards, Graham
    Graham, you had me worried asking about the trumpets! there are none in my production. I had to load up Cubase and have a look at my track list to see what I used!. Here's that list
    1st Violins, 2nd Violins, Violas, Cellos, Contrabass, French Horn overlay F AG, Flute, Oboe, Gagli Violin 1 and Full Strings.

    My interpretation doesn't come from the score but from a CD so I allow myself some licence in picking instruments and wrong notes

    Ray

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