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    Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra was ported to GigaStudio years ago and the recent Best Service Peter Siedlaczek's Complete Classical Collection VST, at a budget price of 249 euros MSRP, brought AO back into the market eye. But that doesn't mean that all the older users (most of whom bought the GIGA package for 900-1,000 dollars) should have to feel let down.

    That's why I decided to make the internal re-programmed GIGA files I use for my own work at BBMC, an unofficial update, publicly availble. After spending the night standardizing the nomeclature I've now made a .ZIP file of the .ART files for GS3 temporarily availble for download. This is part 1, the woodwinds. More will follow when time permits but this is generally considered to be the strongest section of the library. The .ART files are designed with compatibility in mind so the original programs remain intact and the changes are only made to additional ones in the same library. Though the programming changes are all very basic and utilitarian, here are some of the features of the update:

    - All new patches are mapped at sounding pitches on the keyboard instead of the arbitrary transposition of the older patches. The older patches remain in their original configuration for compatibility reasons however.
    - Round Robin Staccato patches.
    - Velocity switched dynamic level patches.
    - Single articulation patches for commonly used articulation: use of keyswitching/mod-wheel is now optional rather than mandatory.
    - Patches now feature clear naming systems to make it easy to quickly find sounds you are looking for without needing to consult the manual or GIGA Editor.

    Depending on the level of interest, I most post updates for Project SAM Trombones Full and Horns as well as GOS Advanced. But really, the point is just to help other people out the way that a lot of people did on these forums back when I started getting more into sampling a few years ago. Please keep in mind that I have no connection to the original sampling project and have only worked on this straightforward re-programming of the original library for my own work purposes, with the recent addition of certain standardization to make it more useful to others.

    http://www.zirconstudios.com/AO_WW.zip

    Many thanks to Andrew Aversa for hosting the file.

    I've included the manual below and as a text file included in the zip.


    Installation directions:

    1) Extract .ART files to a temporary directory from the ZIP file.

    2) Open GIGA GS 3 GIGA Editor and open any woodwind file named "...solo.gig", "solo basic.gig", "...section.gig", "section basic.gig".

    ---You may encounter a message along the lines of "illegal file structure" or "made with pre 2.2 editor" or "made with a program other than GIGA Editor". Click through this and keep going: it's a normal legacy issue on some system..

    3) Go to File>Load Articulation File, and then choose the appropriately named .ART file from the temporary directory you extracted the ZIP file to.

    Example:
    Open "[AO ww_s] piccolo flute solo basic.gig" and then load the articulation file "[AO ww_s] piccolo flute solo basic PAL.art."

    4) You should now see new patches in your program list, following the standard ones, all with the extension PAL. If the even that they do not, the .ART load was unsuccessful and you can try again.

    5) After succesfully loading .ART file, go to File>Save. The new articulations should now be availble to load in GS3 or GVI, though a program restart may sometimes be neccasary before QuickSound sees them.

    6) Repeat on the remaining relevant woodwind .GIG files until finished.

    Glossary:
    Sus = Sustained Note

    SusV = Sustained Note with Vibrato

    SusNV = Sustained Note without Vibrato

    Leg = Legato articulation: doesn't imply interval sampling or legato tools, just
    the lack of a strong attack so that the sample can be used for legato passages.

    Stac = Staccato: has a short detached feel. Samples with this designation have a very limited duration and that cannot be extended by changing the duration of a MIDI note.

    Flutter = A special effect best understood by demonstration: try it out.

    Cresc. = Crescendo: the note sampled will automaticly rise in dynamic, in a pre-recorded fashion.

    Gliss Up = An upward pre-recorded glissando: the instrument plays smoothly and very quickly through several notes, sliding through them in a fluid gesture with less defined gradation than in a run.

    p = piano
    F = Forte

    VEL = Velocity switched: will automaticly switch between a "p" and "F" sample for the articulation based on the velocity played.

    RR = Round Robin: automatic alternation between different samples sets each time the same note is played

    KEY = Keyswitched. Program uses keyswitching to switch articulations.
    C6 = By default, keyswitches start on C1 (in this case, the lowest C on an 88 keyboard) but low bass instruments, such as the contrabassoon, have keyswitches starting on C6 in order to make it possible to access the lowest pitches on the instrument without transposition.

    CONCERT = Instrument now plays at sounding (concert) pitch on keyboard: original programs often transposed the notes several octaves.

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Thank you Per

    I still favor much of the AO orchestra (original version for Giga), using it every day. I hope you continue to convert and update the files to G3.

    How much money do you think this will take?

    and thank you again,
    best
    tony

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Hi Tony,

    I've been doing this in-house for our work at the studio on weekends and nights so money isn't really the issue: time and health are. Both of which have been rare commodities for much of the last couple months. I'm sure you all know how that goes.

    The reason this one got done was because of an electronica/woodwind choir crossover piece called "Minimal Scenery" that is in production right now. Having a large selection of winds nicely cleaned up was important so it became a priority. After that, making it public was only an addition of a couple hours. I hope someone ends up hosting the files longer term. We'll see how things go in the future.

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    Thanks Per
    They sound and play nicely. I hope I don't miss when you do the strings.
    Cody

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    I thought IK Multimedia had the VST version of the Miroslav library ("Philharmonik") while ~~~~~~~~~~~~/East West was stocking the VST re-release of Advanced Orchestra?

    Anyway, here's a mirror for your file. Hope you don't mind that I renamed the zip to something shorter (some browsers and system have trouble w/ long titles - including mine, sometimes). I have more than enough bandwidth for this so... have fun!

    http://www.zirconstudios.com/AO.zip
    Zircon Studios - Original music for media, electronica, sound design, and synthesis.

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Good news, Andrew. Thank you.

    There's a lot to like about AO, even more so with improvements. And with developers turning away from Giga, even more important.

    Thank you for hosting this work,
    best
    tony

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Hi Per Lichtman,

    Very nice effort! Thanks! Although i'm not allowed to use, since i don't own GIGA. I have the old AKAI cd's. The initial 5 and the Upgrade 97.

    I am not sure if you have already thought about what i'm gonne say. Anyway... There is some brass pacthes (i can't remember what exactly) that has some triplets staccatos. I guess the horns and trumpets. I remember i had "sliced" this phrase to create more repetitions...however i'm not using them anymore...I mean, each of these "ta-ta-ta__taaa" can be transformed in RR patches, being that the last note of this phrase could be used as a kind of "portato sample".

    Another idea would be using all these nice "grace notes" to create "quick legato samples". Of course, since they are 2nd min and maj, you could use them to play quick diatonic and chromatic scales. Maybe transposing the 2nd maj intervals to 3nd min and maj. It is just about open each sample into an audio editor and cut out the atack, so you would end up with a real legato passage for 2ndmin and maj... and remap them to get the atack on initial note and these "cuted samples" when you play 2nd minor and major in legato. i've never got this a shot, but i think it can work.

    If you already have done, apologize for hi-jack your thread.

    Best,

    Jacques.

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Thanks for all the positive feedback everyone.

    Andrew, thanks for hosting the zip. Much appreciated. My only request would be to change the short name to "AO_WW.zip" or something similar to make it clear that this is only the update for the woodwinds: more to come later. Either way, much appreciated. Also, you are quite right: Best Service did the VST, not IK multimedia. And the product is distributed by East West. I edited my original post to fix the error and now link to your site instead of YouSendIt. Thanks again.

    Cody, I'll PM you when the strings go up.

    Jacques, those are great ideas. The staccato one in particular is one I would like to follow up on. I had originally only done the brass patches with re-programming, not wave editing. The issue I had was that simply distributing the .art files wouldn't be enough if you changed the waves, at least that was my understanding. I would actually have to include/re-distribute the edited wave files which I don't think my license permits. Even if it did, the file size would blossom. Any thoughts on a workaround?

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Per Lichtman

    Jacques, those are great ideas. The staccato one in particular is one I would like to follow up on. I had originally only done the brass patches with re-programming, not wave editing. The issue I had was that simply distributing the .art files wouldn't be enough if you changed the waves, at least that was my understanding. I would actually have to include/re-distribute the edited wave files which I don't think my license permits. Even if it did, the file size would blossom. Any thoughts on a workaround?

    Hi Per,

    Well, maybe you could change the "sample start" of each sample, making it sounds only when you need. But you would need to change the sample start and end. I guess in Kontakt2 you could create different groups with the same sample content, so you could in each of these groups select a different "start and end" samples...and create RR between these groups. Maybe just 2 key switches. One for all the triplet samples (ta-ta-ta before the final note), and a second one to finish the phrase. Two good things: The final samples become "portatos" and the initial ones would allow you to do quick repetitions phrases, on time with your song. And, of course, you could use the stacattos and these samples to create a 4 or 5 RR patch. What i am wondering is that this procedure can cause some "clicks" at the start/end of sample,then if you could make a brief FADE IN and/or OUT , obviously would solve it. Actually, i am not aware about GIGA's possibilty, however it maybe can be achievable as well. This way, you would not be editing the samples, cuting, etc...Is that allowed?

    Actually, this procedure probably (i am not really sure,) will work with the "legato" idea. Samples start change + different groups to each interval + key switches to select between them. They would be the same samples.


    Best,

    Jacques.

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    Re: Peter Siedlaczek's Advanced Orchestra GigaStudio 3 Unofficial Update Part 1

    I'll take a look at the sample start/end possibilities again in the GIGA editor when I get back to the studio tomorrow but my intuition is that it would require a lot more work than the sample editing based method. If it's not too bad, I may go ahead anyway: depends on how effective the results are.

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