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    Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    In a lot of Zimmer's bombastic cues (POTC2, King Arthur) he uses a lot of subtle stuff like shakers, hihats, sticks maybe even. Although his "hits" with toms, taikos etc are always loud, the high percussion stuff is always quite subtly mixed.

    I'd love to learn how to add stuff like this.

    Does anyone have an idea what he his using? Does he simply have a bunch of tracks with standard drumkit stuff, shakers etc. Or would some of this stuff be loop-based? I can't image that for instance in POTC2 he has really played each individual note (assuming that his percussion tracks in his mockups are included in the final recording (I guess he simply replaces his string, brass and wood parts with real ochestral dubbings, but not these propelling rhythm lines).

    BTW, have you seen that interesting German docu?

    http://www.hans-zimmer.com/fr/media/hzdf.avi (DivX I believe).

    BTW2: play the track POTC2-Dinner is Served and listen to the waltz with headphones. The trumpet ad libs are soooo fake and badly mixed in the stereo image! Must be samples IMO.

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    Sorry Peter i don't have any info for you but thank you very much for the link.

    Some people on this forum are not very fond of Mr. Zimmer but I have to say he is my favorite composer. Watching this link and the extra interview on the Gladiator DVD shows some insight into a very talented yet humble man. For all of his success you'd think his head woul be too big to get on to the scoring stage but he speaks of struggling for a melody, the time constraints on a major Hollywood production and his own abilities. A truly inspirational human being and I'm happy his music is a part of my life.

    God Bless you Hans Zimmer!

    Sincerely,

    Darren
    www.darrenpasdernick.com
    "Every time you play a wrong note God kills a kitten."

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    Re: Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    Thanks Darren,

    My top list of composers is for quite a while now: JNH, Danny, JW, Zimmer, and recently I also like a lot of Harry GW.
    For some reason I'm getting back to Zimmer's bombastic, but also often melodic and dramatic stuff. Plus, I also like his low-key approach to his work. He just tries to crank out music that serves the director's wishes and may be less crafted than JNH and JW.

    Although I sometimes still play JW, I'm just thinking: too many notes (think Harry Potter), and I think he is sometimes actually competing with the director's project doing his own musical project...

    Regarding musicality I think like JNH's music most, but I find Zimmer's music more funny, rock oriented and very often just serving the particular movie very well.

    People who dislike him (and others) should support their opinion by submitting some mp3's of their own work, IMHO.

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    Re: Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterRoos
    People who dislike him (and others) should support their opinion by submitting some mp3's of their own work, IMHO.

    Peter,

    I agree one hundred percent with this comment!

    I too love JNH. His score for Falling Down was fantastic.

    Thanks again for the link!

    Darren
    www.darrenpasdernick.com
    "Every time you play a wrong note God kills a kitten."

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    Re: Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    Hoi Peter,

    I'm not particularly fond of Zimmer's work but this interview was really interesting. Thanks for posting.

    Groet,
    - Mathis

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    Re: Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    You're right about the percussions patterns in zimmer cues. They're often more complex than we can think.

    One thing i'd love to do is that particular tom sounds that we hear in lion king / peace maker / the rock / crimson tide

    TO answer your question about how you can do this ... hmm i don't think it's loop-based. But i guess his percussions are samples most of the time. I've a little doubt about the big hits percussions, i think these are real. You can see percussions recording sessions on the black hawk down documentary ( and he uses for example 3 sets of timpani played by 3 differents players )

    Oh, and Zimmer adds his own mockup over the orchestral recordings, it's the Zimmer's trademark

    you can listen to a comparison here of "jack sparrow" track from POTC2 : the first extract is the final product. The second extract is the original synth mockup :

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc2-orchestral.mp3

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc2-synth.mp3

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    Re: Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter
    you can listen to a comparison here of "jack sparrow" track from POTC2 : the first extract is the final product. The second extract is the original synth mockup :

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc2-orchestral.mp3

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc2-synth.mp3
    Woohoooo, hell, the synth mockup has the power too. Aren't the orchestra recordings just a luxury? Many thanks for sharing this.

    Sorry Peter for hijacking your thread.

    Regards

    Kai

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    Wow, great links!

    I wonder what the source is of this "leak"!

    Maybe I can align these versions and check what is used from the mockup in the final score.

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    Re: Zimmer's high percussion patterns

    i've another extracts if you want

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc1-orchestral.mp3

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc1-synth.mp3


    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc4-orchestral.mp3

    http://annecywebtv.free.fr/mockup/potc4-synth.mp3

    In fact it's not exactly a "leak" .
    This mockup can be found on a special version of POTC2 album , called "pirates remixes", under the name "Jack Theme Suite" but it's just a synth mockup version of "jack sparrow" from the original album

    I think the orchestral recordings give a extra power , especially on the horns

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    He's a true dedicated craftsman, IMO

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