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    Well... maybe not... lol.

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    Re: Will Composers Soon Be Obsolete?

    Thus far, algorithmic composers are lousy!

    However, I still believe that it is possible for a good algorithmic/AI composer to exist. That still won't make composers obsolete though.
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    Bah. Nothing beats this collaborative effort:

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    Re: Will Composers Soon Be Obsolete?

    Quote Originally Posted by SeanHannifin
    Thus far, algorithmic composers are lousy!

    However, I still believe that it is possible for a good algorithmic/AI composer to exist. That still won't make composers obsolete though.
    Technically, you can go quite a distance with AI approaches.
    Somewhere or other I heard some synthetic Mozart (stop
    gasping for breath, Sean... lol) done on a fairly hefty Cray or
    IBM supercomputer. It was actually quite convincing.

    But I doubt we'll see any genuinely great music from boxes
    full of wires soon -- not until the day arrives that we can endow
    AI machines with emotions, and the mysterious and poorly understood
    creative mechanisms native to humans rather than a simile based
    essentially on random numbers.

    The real state of AI at this time is a tremendous distance from
    doing anything of this kind.

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    Algorithmic composition has the potential for being interesting, but only if you don't try to emulate an existing style.
    - Jamie Kowalski

    All Hands Music - Kowalski on the web
    The Ear Is Always Correct - Writings on composition

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    Re: Will Composers Soon Be Obsolete?

    i don't think composers have to worry, they are like oil painters and sculpters, pretty soon there will be lots of photographers running around, but there will still be painters and sculpters.

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    There is a composer that I talk to by the name of Shea RIal. I met him while working on GUIs for MS-DOS. He was starting up a recording studio. Meanwhile, he also used his knowledge of computer programming to make an algorithmic based system. Last I checked, it was still under development. Note, he does techno.

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    Re: Will Composers Soon Be Obsolete?

    I have done a lot of research and programming in this area using fuzzy logic, GA, and heuristic processes.

    There was a symphonic composer from Iceland that had a program that he used for writing orchestral pieces and sold online. I thought it was pretty cool...but not for me...cant find it now

    But basically, having a computer create music...why does a computer have to write music WE want to hear or along our expectation? Perhaps its more interesting for a computer to create music it thinks is good...and fulfilling its own expectations. You may not like it...but perhaps the computer understands it...
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    Re: Will Composers Soon Be Obsolete?

    Quote Originally Posted by etLux
    But I doubt we'll see any genuinely great music from boxes
    full of wires soon -- not until the day arrives that we can endow
    AI machines with emotions, and the mysterious and poorly understood
    creative mechanisms native to humans rather than a simile based
    essentially on random numbers.

    The real state of AI at this time is a tremendous distance from
    doing anything of this kind.
    I agree that the current state of AI is a tremendous distance away from this, but I don't think we'd have to wait until AI can have emotions, or a consciousness for that matter (whatever the heck consciousness is). What would really need to be understood is our own human perception of music. And while human emotions are strongly linked to the perception of music, I actually don't think emotions are a necessary ingredient for the actual production of music. (Though of course we as humans may feel them when composing and listening (which is kind of the whole point of music for us in the first place ).)

    Quote Originally Posted by Skysaw
    Algorithmic composition has the potential for being interesting, but only if you don't try to emulate an existing style.
    I think an algorithmic composer would certainly need to be based on existing music, just as our own musical perceptions are (cough, cough, rules), but certainly an algorithmic composer's output would be much more interesting and convincing did it not instantly remind listeners of a previously heard piece of music.

    Quote Originally Posted by newmewzikboy
    You may not like it...but perhaps the computer understands it...
    Well, that does kind of defeat the purpose.
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