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    Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Greetings-
    Any giga users have experience with both the VSL horizon solo strings and teh new Vienna instruments SS?

    The VI is a VST, (dongle required) and supposedly much more "player friendly"
    than VSL SS?

    having tried neither I wonder if anyone has, and can draw a comparison,
    I currently use GS 3 orch and would like good solo strnigs with legato. I understand VSL is the KING at this, but I'm a newbie.

    any input ?
    thanks
    PM

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    There's a couple of thread here about Vienna Instrument, here is one:
    http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/...ad.php?t=44542
    do a search and you will most likely find the others...Also, you should ask on the VSL forum where there are lots of vsl user.

    P.S. The Solo violin from VSL is amazing, i don't have it yet but... From what I've read V.I. seems to be the way to go.

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Peter,

    FWIW, I am using both Gigastudio 3.1 and VI on the same machine. This is driven by ProTools on another machine.

    I got a downloadable VST wrapper to run the VI. It is possible to run Gigastudio as VST inside the wrapper, but by running GS standalone, both VI+Wrapper and GS get their own process space, and therefore each has is own memory limit, rather than cramming them into the same process and memory limit.

    The only issue is that GS seems to want to be started first; if the VST wrapper is started first, then GS won't come up.

    And yes, the VI tool is extremely powerful. After fooling around with it for 15 minutes, I got the "ahah!" moment. Going back to re-do some old tracks, I found myself _reducing_ the number of required MIDI channels. I expect that over time I will be using less and less GS, as sounds get replaced by VI.

    --Dirk

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    hey thanks Dirk,

    I use Nuendo, being VST and no wrapper needed, the VI folks tell me there are no issues having VI, GS and Nuendo on the same machine.

    If I understand the VI concept,.. it uses no keyswitching.? but rather reponds to the way you play.
    Is this true,? if it is,.. it's pretty incredible.

    What'll be next?

    OK,. VI ,... I'm thinking of a riff,.. can you guess what it is, and play it ?
    LOL

    best-

    PM

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterMcC
    I use Nuendo, being VST and no wrapper needed, the VI folks tell me there are no issues having VI, GS and Nuendo on the same machine.PM
    I am also using Nuendo but am streaming over a network, rather than loading them on the DAW. I can use GS3 and VI at the same time, but there are clicks in the sound, so for me they are unusable together. However, in my setup there are other possible culprits, so it might work for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterMcC
    If I understand the VI concept,.. it uses no keyswitching.? but rather reponds to the way you play.
    Is this true,? if it is,.. it's pretty incredible.PM

    best-

    PM
    It will respond to the speed of your playing, but everything else is done by a series of user customisable keyswitches and controllers.

    D

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    hey Daryl,
    thanks for the input,

    can you explain a bit more about the VI responding to the player, can basically I improvise with a solo string patch and not have to deal with keyswitches in order to articulate fast staccato or legato lines?

    thanks again

    Pm

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterMcC
    hey Daryl,
    thanks for the input,

    can you explain a bit more about the VI responding to the player, can basically I improvise with a solo string patch and not have to deal with keyswitches in order to articulate fast staccato or legato lines?

    thanks again

    Pm
    For this you would use the Universal mode. The player detects how fast you are playing and automatically switches patches to give a faster attack. You use the modwheel to switch to staccato, and whilst there are many other things you can do in this mode, it all depends on your chops.

    D

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Actually, Daryl, the VI tool has a myriad of ways it can be used, not just keyswitches. For example:
    - speed of playing
    - keyswitches
    - modwheel, or other midi controls
    - a mixture of the above.

    I have tended to set up some matrices which use speed for one dimension, and the modwheel for style (eg. legato vs. heavy vibrato vs. pizzicato). The only reason I am using modwheel instead of keyswitches is that I have a cleaner UI for that. But I am really just getting started.

    Beat Kaufmann has set up a whole 3-dimensional matrix all based upon keyswitches. See <http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/tipspcmusic/vibasicpresets/index.php>

    But the real point is that you suddenly have lots of options to set up an instrument to sound the way you want it to under various conditions.

    I just got a starter set (Solo Strings) to see if I wanted to convert from my older (Giga) Vienna libs. I am now hooked - just time and money until I move everything to VI.

    The only issue I have found so far is getting convolution reverb into the picture. I am expecting you can do this with Nuendo. I end up piping back to Pro Tools over ADAT, but this gives me fewer options than using GigaPulse inside GS.

    --Dirk

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirk
    Actually, Daryl, the VI tool has a myriad of ways it can be used, not just keyswitches. For example:
    - speed of playing
    - keyswitches
    - modwheel, or other midi controls
    - a mixture of the above.

    I have tended to set up some matrices which use speed for one dimension, and the modwheel for style (eg. legato vs. heavy vibrato vs. pizzicato). The only reason I am using modwheel instead of keyswitches is that I have a cleaner UI for that. But I am really just getting started.

    Beat Kaufmann has set up a whole 3-dimensional matrix all based upon keyswitches. See <http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/tipspcmusic/vibasicpresets/index.php>

    But the real point is that you suddenly have lots of options to set up an instrument to sound the way you want it to under various conditions.

    I just got a starter set (Solo Strings) to see if I wanted to convert from my older (Giga) Vienna libs. I am now hooked - just time and money until I move everything to VI.

    The only issue I have found so far is getting convolution reverb into the picture. I am expecting you can do this with Nuendo. I end up piping back to Pro Tools over ADAT, but this gives me fewer options than using GigaPulse inside GS.

    --Dirk
    Sorry, I do know all this; I was just trying not to complicate things too much.

    Are you loading the VI on your DAW? If so, then you can load the reverb onto the VST outputs.

    D

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    Re: Anyone using Vienna Instruments ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daryl
    Sorry, I do know all this; I was just trying not to complicate things too much.

    Are you loading the VI on your DAW? If so, then you can load the reverb onto the VST outputs.

    D
    Oops - of course you do (know this). I should have been replying to Peter McC.

    Nope - my DAW is Pro Tools, which can't handle VST directly, and is also on a separate machine. I assume I will be getting a reverb plugin for my VST wrapper soon - probably the GigaPulse VST when it is available.

    --Dirk

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