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    LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Hi everyone,
    Just registered.
    My name's Paul

    I thought I'd start a new topic, because I couldn't really find the answer either here, at V.I. or at Progeny.

    I posted this at the V.I. Forum as well.......

    I guess this is for Akihito if he's around.

    I'm going to jump in on this excellent group buy. My question is, what would I be MISSING if I went for the clean version as opposed to the clean/distortion, given that I have amp sim software?

    In other words, how flexible are the distorted samples in terms of SOUND as well as performance multis? Is it, basically, one sound of a guitar through an overdriven Marshall?

    I won't be producing stuff with heavily overdriven guitars, but I would be looking to have SOME distortion.... would the samples in the distorted library give me any flexibility in terms of the amount of distortion etc?

    As far as the performance multis go (unbelievably good BTW!), to reiterate, would I miss some of this if i went for just the clean samples?
    Many thanks,
    Paul

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Quote Originally Posted by coosticks
    Hi everyone,
    Just registered.
    My name's Paul

    I thought I'd start a new topic, because I couldn't really find the answer either here, at V.I. or at Progeny.

    I posted this at the V.I. Forum as well.......

    I guess this is for Akihito if he's around.

    I'm going to jump in on this excellent group buy. My question is, what would I be MISSING if I went for the clean version as opposed to the clean/distortion, given that I have amp sim software?

    In other words, how flexible are the distorted samples in terms of SOUND as well as performance multis? Is it, basically, one sound of a guitar through an overdriven Marshall?

    I won't be producing stuff with heavily overdriven guitars, but I would be looking to have SOME distortion.... would the samples in the distorted library give me any flexibility in terms of the amount of distortion etc?

    As far as the performance multis go (unbelievably good BTW!), to reiterate, would I miss some of this if i went for just the clean samples?
    Many thanks,
    Paul
    I believe the performance multi demo and most of the other demos were done with the clean version and an amp sim (I think Guitar Rig, in most cases).

    jeffn1
    For original progressive electronic rock influenced by J.S. Bach and (old) Rush, check out: www.soundclick.com/jeffreynaness.

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffn1
    I believe the performance multi demo and most of the other demos were done with the clean version and an amp sim (I think Guitar Rig, in most cases).

    jeffn1
    I'd be *really* interested in getting a confirmation to that one. I'm teetering on buying into the clean version as I own Guitar Rig 2. Only thing is, I don't have Kontakt yet (Halion user), but this deal seems like it could be a bad idea to pass up on.

    Akihito, are you able to confirm this for us? Thanks so much!

    Best! -Scott

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Yes please!

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    The clean version and GuitarRig were used on the demo.

    With the clean version + an amp simulator (GuitarRig, Amplitube, POD, etc.), you can get a variety of guitar sounds.

    On the other hand, with the distortion version, you get the 'real Marshall sound' which has real air vibrations. It's beautiful. As Jeff mentioned, you can also save CPU power which is required to run an amp simulator. (and also cost for an amp simulator)

    As we love the both sounds, we would like you to make full use of both sounds as needed. (The combination of the Distorted and the Clean is very good.)

    By the way, using the distorted version with an ampsimulator works fine too. You can get a wicked and dirty sound with it.

    I hope this answers your questions.

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    LPC through Guitar Rig 2 is RIDICULOUSLY COOL. It's a testament to NI's kicking ~~~, but also to Ahikito's excellent production (both of them!). Crap audio through an amp sim is just gonna come out sounding like distorted crap. Which is even worse!!

    Not so with LPC. It's gratifying as hell, and LPC works beautifully for funky licks, lyrical jazzy lines, crying blues leads... and raging, angry metal solo's. I made a neat little medley as a library-orienting exercise, which demonstrates the stylistic flexibility of the LPC clean through GR2... but it blew up. So you'll have to stick with Prominy's demo's!

    That said, the distorted LPC does, as Ahikito say, have those 'real air vibrations' you get by micing the amp in a real room. And personally, GR2 - while extremely good - lacks that sizzling, almost frightening punch of shredding a real distorted guitar, which is done wonderfully with LPC.

    It DOES save CPU if you're going to be using a lot of distorted sounds, but LPC - much like Bela D's also-wonderful guitar library - responds very well to re-amping even when distorted, as well.

    Personally, I wanted the flexibility. It's worth it. And I bought it at full price! So with the GB going down right now, I'd snap it up in an instant. There's a certain un-emulatable property to a real, mic'ed amp that modelling software can't touch, and by using LPC dist + LPC clean with an ampsim (say one for rhythm and the other for lead), you can get some neat interplay between the two uniquely sculpted sounds. Check out 'All About Love' on Prominy's site for an example of this.

    -Tom

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Tomdini, thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts!

    I found it rather inconsiderate and impolite that you would force me to open my wallet like this...considering we haven't even met!

    Seriously, there was no way I was going to be talked into parting my money for both, but alas, it has happened! I have no doubt this will pay me back in a short amount of time. Gotta run now so I can get in on the deal!

    Tomdini, you owe me a beer!

    -Tweed

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Hey, you bet! Next time you're down in the OC, we'll head over to O'Hara's for a pint!

    I'm looking forward to the burst of activity on Prominy's new user forum that this GB is going to generate... I'm excited to hear people's demo's and learn of their production techniques.

    As an ex-guitarist whose fingers were obliterated in a tragedy of truly epic and monumental proportions, LPC has given me back the magic of playing guitar. Kinda like using porn to revitalize a dead marriage... it ain't the real thing, but it's so tantalizingly close that it does the trick quite nicely!

    -Tom

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Akihito Okawa
    The clean version and GuitarRig were used on the demo.

    With the clean version + an amp simulator (GuitarRig, Amplitube, POD, etc.), you can get a variety of guitar sounds.

    On the other hand, with the distortion version, you get the 'real Marshall sound' which has real air vibrations. It's beautiful. As Jeff mentioned, you can also save CPU power which is required to run an amp simulator. (and also cost for an amp simulator)

    As we love the both sounds, we would like you to make full use of both sounds as needed. (The combination of the Distorted and the Clean is very good.)

    By the way, using the distorted version with an ampsimulator works fine too. You can get a wicked and dirty sound with it.

    I hope this answers your questions.
    Hi Akihito,
    I'm trying to find out what the actual sound of the distorted version is....
    is it fairly heavily over-driven? are there different "levels" of distortion/crunch etc within the distorted library; in other words, are there samples in there that use the marshall for a more subtle, less overdriven, more "rough" sound? (if you know what I mean!); or do you basically get "a sound" for the whole library (like a piano library for example).
    Cheers,
    Paul
    BTW, I'm definitely going for the GB before it ends (tomorrow midnight?)

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    Re: LPC Group Buy Question.....

    Hello coosticks,

    As Tomdini said, the demo 'All About Love' is the good example to hear the distorted sound of LPC. (The backing guitar is the distorted samples.) I used EQ, compressor, delay and reverb on the guitar track.

    For the detail of the demos;
    http://www.prominy.com/LPC_demos.htm

    Basically the distorted sound of LPC is one level of distortion. But some of the chords was recorded at less distortion level so the chord tones are not spoiled. You can find which ones is the less distortion samples with LPC Controller Chart.

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