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    Question good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    hi everyone,

    i'm looking for a phrase library, smth along the lines of ewqlsc but less expensive. i've got akai voices, that works well for what it is, but what i really need is smth w/consonants -- not just the usual oohs, ahs, ees, etc. esp looking for br, ka, ta, rr, ll, etc. -- in short, consonants and phrase bits that i can use to form words or chant by combining them w/the usual oohs, ahs, &c. is there such a thing?

    thanks much!

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Voices of the Apocalypse

    It's made by EWQL and I guess you could call it the "little brother" of the full Symphonic Choirs. @ $249.95 sounds like a good deal.

    Other than that. I don't know of any Choral library which has what you are looking for.

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Hmmm.

    I'll add two options that give you much of what you're looking for.

    Symphony of voices by Eric over at Spectrasonics. Great library and capable of not just film work but a good chunk of concert too.

    AND, the fabulous BelaD Giovani library. These are male and female childrens choirs that capture with clarity that vocal 'something' that fits in not only film work, but concert as well. Frank and his team, like Eric, have worked hard to capture the essence of great choral sound.

    These two libraries, importantly, have escellent tone, and are definitely worth listening to.

    So now you have three to choose from!

    Take your time choosing, and you'll get value for money as well.

    Regards, and whichever library you finally choose, good luck.

    Alex.

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hermitage59
    Hmmm.

    I'll add two options that give you much of what you're looking for.

    Symphony of voices by Eric over at Spectrasonics. Great library and capable of not just film work but a good chunk of concert too.

    AND, the fabulous BelaD Giovani library. These are male and female childrens choirs that capture with clarity that vocal 'something' that fits in not only film work, but concert as well. Frank and his team, like Eric, have worked hard to capture the essence of great choral sound.

    These two libraries, importantly, have escellent tone, and are definitely worth listening to.

    So now you have three to choose from!

    Take your time choosing, and you'll get value for money as well.

    Regards, and whichever library you finally choose, good luck.

    Alex.
    Symphony of Voices is absolutely superb, but I'm afraid it is just vowels. I don't have Giovani, but I think that may be just vowels as well.

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu
    Symphony of Voices is absolutely superb, but I'm afraid it is just vowels. I don't have Giovani, but I think that may be just vowels as well.
    Giovani has consonants too right?

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    VOTA includes a word builder. Type in the words, play the notes, hear it sing.

    It's not perfect, for sure, but you can record the MIDI thorugh the word builder, and then tweak the MIDI by hand, if you want to optimise it. Still, some words sound great, and others, well, are just sounds.

    I've heard that overlaying real vocals really helps to sell it. I haven't had a chance to try it yet though.

    BTW, VOTA's style is along the lines of Orff's Carmina Burana, though it's not limited to that. My understanding is that SOV is better for more subtle work.

    -JF

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    I just received my Giovani children's Choir collection (I believe that has all of the above, vowels, consonants and sung phrases, as well as some more esoteric stuff) - and a phrase building app for windows.

    I will let you all know how it is - but I expect it to be amazing from all I have read and heard.

    EWQLSC is a $800 choir collection that is supposed to do it all - but requires a gargantuan computer to run it properly.

    Symphony of voices looks really good, but have never tried it.

    Pro Samples vol 13 choirs is a CD collection of, from what it sounds like, older technology choirs from akai samplers or something like that - it;s ok (for $40 what do you expect?) - can be good as a filler with heavy reverb - but sounds extremely thin. The samples are tiny (most average 600k each) - so not very high-end - but it DOES have vowels and consonants and can easily be made into a Kontakt 2 instrument (or if you have a synth like Wusik, Manystation, Dashsound, etc) for playing on a keyboard.

    If you want the cool factor to go through the roof, also check out Virsyn's Cantor (synthethic vocal software) www.virsyn.com

    I bought it and use it for a variety of projects - emulates a great vocoder or robotic voice and can sing what you type - has male, female, choir presets, etc - actually quite amazing, but has a massive learning curve to get real sounding or professional results. The choir demo song will knock your socks off.

    Mike

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pingu
    Symphony of Voices is absolutely superb, but I'm afraid it is just vowels. I don't have Giovani, but I think that may be just vowels as well.
    Bela D Media invites you to discover an exciting and significant development in the world of sampled voice. The Giovani Edition is the first truly dedicated children’s choir library determined to strike a chord with musicians ranging from the semi-pro to the most seasoned professional. Bela D Media has faithfully captured the glory of an authentic youth choir complete with 24-bit traditional church ambience. The Giovani Edition effortlessly produces a sincere, natural tonality alive with essential human characteristics. Enlisting the talents of a professional 32-piece youth choir, the Giovani Edition achieves a sampling first by incorporating both ensemble and chamber sized vocal sections, finally enabling the correct composition of choral parts using a sample library. In addition, Bela D Media is the first to acknowledge and sample a complete girls’ choir.


    16 vocalists Boychoir ensemble
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    Sustained vowels
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    Girlchoir vocal effects – natural and sound designed versions


    Near and far church ambient 24-bit samples
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    Non-glottal attack
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    Accompanying the Giovani Edition, Bela D Media is proud to introduce Vocal Control, a unique and proprietary software utility, custom designed to enable composers to build and play sentence-like phrases both quickly and intuitively. With Vocal Control, the construction and performance of melodies and chordal accompaniments consisting of complex words and phrases is literally only a few mouse clicks away. Vocal Control frees Giovani owners to combine complete or partial words from a pool of authentic Latin vocal performances, as well as a series of custom moving vowel performances. A word or phrase entered into Vocal Control may consist of as many as 64 unique elements or as few as a one or two syllables. Once a word or phrase is inputted into a Vocal Control phrase group, it can be played in real time with zero latency in virtually any tempo, any key and any melody.

    The utility provides up to four ‘phrases’ simultaneously, with the option to link, cycle and switch between phrases as desired. Easily accessible, dedicated ‘Hot Keys’ are assigned to the real time control of features such as phrase selection, phrase cycling, word element lock and legato styles, allowing users a wide range of ‘live’ performance options. The results of this interaction between the performer and Vocal Control can be recorded directly into any local or remote sequencer for instantaneous playback. Bela D Media is certain that Giovani owners will find Vocal Control a deceptively addictive addition to their arsenal of sample library tools.


    Incorporated into Vocal Control is Bela D Media's new Legato Tool, a combination of software coding and sampler programming which routes data to either legato or non-legato patches in real time with zero latency depending on the software's analysis of the player's performance from moment to moment. Legato slurs up/down make for realistic results.

    The Legato Tool can operate in one of three modes, depending on the performer's preference:

    1. Fingered Legato, which works in a similar fashion to the fingered portamento mode (legato patches are chosen if a new note is played before a previous note has been released).

    2. Momentary Legato. Standard patches are chosen unless the momentary legato hotkey (C2) is held down. While this key is held down, the software scans the performance and chooses appropriate legato patches.

    3. Timed Legato. The performer can specify a 'time window' after a note's release, within which any new notes played will be with appropriate legato patches. Notes played outside the time window will be directed to standard patches.
    As with Vocal Control's phrase generator, the operation of the legato tool is designed as far as possible to be invisible to the performer.

    “Never have I heard as much emotion from a choir that I wasn't conducting live myself! Whether soaring above an orchestra or blending into the background, the voices exude pathos.”


    SOUND ON SOUND 5 STARS
    November 2005



    Bela D Media | www.BelaDMedia.com

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    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Giovani doesn't have a true word builder such as EWQLSC but if you want a children's choir, it's the only way to go. I can't wait to get it myself.

    The other libraries mentioned are all wonderful but none of them have wordbuilding like the original poster is looking for. As far as I know, VOTA and EWQLSC are the only two libraries out there at this time that can do this.

    But who knows what the future will bring!

  10. #10

    Re: good, yet inexpensive, vocal library?

    Quote Originally Posted by JPGIII
    Giovani doesn't have a true word builder such as EWQLSC but if you want a children's choir, it's the only way to go. I can't wait to get it myself.
    That is right in part, Gio cannot sing the phrase you want, but vocal control allows you to combine all those phrases in syllables. There are a lot of possibilities, more than I really need.
    And one of the best patches IMO are scoring choirs, those film pads. They are incredible, via modwheel they sing!!! I cannot live without them
    I use always Gio when I need white voices, no other library is so emotional.
    A must and a classic.
    Eduardo Tarilonte |Sample Library Developer
    SampleLibraries |MyWeb

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