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    Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    Slashdot and the London Free Press reports that

    "In a precedent-setting ruling, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has fined a hosting company for carrying 'objectionable content'. The material in question was White Supremacist postings. From the article: 'The ruling sends a very strong message that Internet servers, if they are aware there is hate content and don't take timely action to remove it, can be held liable,' said the Ottawa lawyer who filed the complaint in February 2002. The individual posters were fined thousands as well."

    It seems the wild west of the internet is seing some law and order. What do youthink about this ruling?

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    I believe I called this one in the other thread!

    Sounds like the chance to have a wonderful new world of litigation, a certain group of lawyers will get very fat off of it and it's going to cost us all money.

    And since defining what "hate speech" is is about as objective as defining what pornography is, pretty much anything that can be considered negative about anyone is now banned, I guess.

    Of course, that's Canada. Maybe in this country where we have the first amemndment this won't happen?? yeah, right.

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    Its just going to move hosting beyond the control of local law. However, this particular story seems to downplay the fact that one of the posters charged is also the owner of the hosting company. I'd be surprised if that didn't have something to do with it.

    I think though that you don't want to suppress these guys. If you ever hear them on TV they make any semi-intelligent person sound like a genius. They rarely do anything for their own cause but provide for good examples of what not to be. If you drive them into the underground, then its harder to know about them and talk about these issues openly. Better to know the enemy i think.

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    Re: Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    self censored

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    Re: Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce A. Richardson
    self censored
    And so you should.....


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    This is already happening in the U.S., and is a clear violation of our so-called freedom of speech as intended under the Bill of Rights. Some have labeled these mis-deeds as "thought-crimes."

    I don't care for Rush Limbaugh or his ilk, but as once suggested, would gladly fight for his right to express his opinions.

    Goodbye talk radio and just about every Baptist preacher in town... maybe this isn't such a bad thing after all.

    "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." Noam Chomsky

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    Re: Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    "It seems the wild west of the internet is seing some law and order. What do youthink about this ruling?"

    To answer the original question: a joke.

    More lawsuits, more big brother, more threats from 'the system': what do you think this translates to?

    Quite possibly even more disrespect, disregard and indifference from people / consumers towards 'establishment'. Déjà Vu...

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    Re: Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    First of all, this is Canada, not America. Freedom of Speech is regulated, litigated and legislated differently in every country. In America - you can't shout "Fire" in a crowded movie house. In other countries the legal standards and precendents can be more liberal or conservative.

    The bottom line, there must be accountability, and allow the legal process to work it's way back to the original perpetrators.

    In the near term, you'll see hate sites migrate to hosting providers are in other jurisdictions... the rest will sort itself out over time.
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    Re: Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    It is fairly clear that much of the world is moving further to the right as we face such daunting problems as global warming, overpopulation, the depletion of fossil fuels and the spread of human rights.

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    Re: Court rules ISPs are as liable as posters for hate material

    Houston,

    "The bottom line, there must be accountability, and allow the legal process to work it's way back to the original perpetrators."

    Perhaps by recording every single phone call and putting cameras on every street corner this process could be further 'enhanced'. Oh, and of course, government censuring of all printed media...

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