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    Well, Herr Bush and his brownshirts are at it again, this time, they'd like to define for SUBSCRIPTION television consumers what can and can't be broadcast...

    “Parents need better and more tools to help them navigate the entertainment waters, particularly on cable and satellite TV,” Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin told Congress on Tuesday.

    Martin suggested several options, including a “family-friendly” tier of channels that would offer shows suitable for kids, such as the programs shown on the Nickelodeon channel.

    He also said cable and satellite providers could consider letting consumers pay for a bundle of channels that they could choose themselves — an “a la carte” pricing system.

    If providers don’t find a way to police smut on television, Martin said, federal decency standards should be considered.

    “You can always turn the television off and of course block the channels you don’t want,” he said, “but why should you have to?”
    I find the last paragraph particularly despicable. We are not talking about free broadcast channels here, we are talking about content that subscribers have CHOSEN to purchase. We are talking about content which can currently be blocked on any television, easily.

    Federal decency standards? What's next? Farenheit 451, this time for real?

    It is about time we run these yahoos out of town.

    Free expression, however unpopular, is the cornerstone of any democratic process. It's very easy to wrap up censorship in apple pie and flags, and sell it as "family values." But real family values don't come from legislation. They come from responsible families.

    If these so called values activists would spend their energy producing the kinds of content they think Americans wish to consume, perhaps there would be plenty of the kind of content they believe is so valued. Instead, they prefer spending their energies attempting to infringe upon others' right to expression, and in doing so, simply waste energy and diminish our freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce A. Richardson
    It's very easy to wrap up censorship in apple pie and flags, and sell it as "family values." But real family values don't come from legislation. They come from responsible families.
    I couldn't agree more Bruce. Politicians would stab there own grannie's in the eye to climb the greasy pole. Who are they to dictate Family Values to us.
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    Since the "public airwaves" are not a player here, I'll guess they'll drag out "interstate commerce" as a rationale for having authority to regulate things I PAY FOR!

    disgusting...

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    Jim Jarnagin - no not THAT Jim Jarnagin, the other one.

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    Yuck. Ptooey.

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    Well they already have their hands in telecoms. I thought what was more frustrating is their recent discussion on forming a sports regulatory commission, ya know, to make sure that professional sports are really being as fair as they could be.
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    Re: Another reason to vote wisely...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce A. Richardson
    Free expression, however unpopular, is the cornerstone of any democratic process. It's very easy to wrap up censorship in apple pie and flags, and sell it as "family values." But real family values don't come from legislation. They come from responsible families.
    Do they? I doubt it. The evidence is that values and attitudes "learnt" form the family remain confined to family settings and the behaviours develped in the outside world depend much more on genetic personality makeup and influences from the enviroment outside the family, particularly peer group.

    Herr Bush may have a point in monitoring and restricting free expression in the media. Herr Bush has may be right to see a real conflict between free expression and the protection of moral standards and behaviour in society.
    I agree the notion of "obscenity" froms no real basis for this, but the notion of potential corruption does.

    Obscenity is in the eye of the beholder. I think our society we should have the right to offend as well as the right to expose ourselves to offend. But we do not have the right to corrupt or incite.

    Whilst the evidence that children are corrupted by TV programs is thin, studies have only really looked at the direct influence. I am not aware that an indirect desensitising effect on average individuall peer group values (in children, teenagers and adults) has been ruled out. And maybe we should look to government to add precautionary counterweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckers
    And maybe we should look to government to add precautionary counterweight.
    precautionary counterweight = censorship

    It is not the government's role to offer moral counterweights. It's not even the government's role to have any opinions about morality whatsoever.

    If you think that the government should be dealing with this problem in the way you suggest, then you must think that people are not responsible for their own actions, that everyone's actions are a product of someone else's influence and not a product of their own choice. But it is their own choice, they just ignored thinking about the consequences of their actions.

    I just think that the more you go down that road of allowing people to blame others for their actions, the less and less people will think about consequences and less and less people will act responsibly.

    It's not fair to society to reward criminals at the cost of everyone else's freedom. Proposals like this will only proliferate the problem.
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    Everyone chill out. This is just feel-good noise to make certain voting segments happy. People actually vote for this stuff with thier wallets and always will. If anyone takes the Playboy channel away there would be a hue and cry from far and wide.

    Between Republicans trying to legislate a moral climate and Democrats and thier truly insane and dangerous lack of comprehension of reality it's really time for some Libertarians to straighten things out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredProgGH
    Between Republicans trying to legislate a moral climate and Democrats and thier truly insane and dangerous lack of comprehension of reality it's really time for some Libertarians to straighten things out...
    Hah ahahaaaa! That's a tremendous line.


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    My preference is for cable companies to allow subscribers to opt out of channels that they don't like in a package, and to get some discount for the channels that they actively choose not to receive. It gives people the power to choose for themselves, and it also gives feedback to companies who do and don't provide what people want.

    The core problem we have is with monopolies. There's likely only one cable provider in your neighborhood. Rates go up year after year. The content costs escalate as well. Did you know that ESPN now charges more than $2.50 per subscriber? And they have monolopies on certain games. Refuse ESPN and you miss your home team on Sunday night.

    More competition would help. Within hours of Verizon offerinng IPTV in Keller, Texas, the local cable provider lowered their rates. And if people who don't like sports can cross ESPN off their list and get their money back, that provides more price-sensitive feedback. (Hey, ESPN sells as many or more commercials as the cheapo channels - and lately ESPN seems to just show poker anyway...)

    But having the government pre-screen or post-slap content is not the way to go. It doesn't address the cable monopoly, the rising prices, nor the decline of art in our society.

    -JF

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