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    Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Korg is releasing a new legacy collection which will include the lovely M1 and the Wavestation. Years ago I paid around $2500 canadian dollars for an M1. A wavestation was around 2k if I remember correctly. Now both can be had as VST's along with an effects unit for around $149.00!!!

    This is a great move by Korg as far as I'm concerned. Repackaging older technologies and providing them at a great price. I wish that Roland would give us a VST of the D-50, Jupiter 8, XP-80 (and all of it's expansion cards). Surely, they are not making any real money on the SRJV80 expansion cards for the XP line. Take all of that old data and re-skin it as a VST. Yamaha, Alesis, do the same. Take the sounds from those older, expensive flagship behemouths of yesteryear and serve them back up at an affordable price. Don't fight the VST market...become part of it like Korg is doing. Heck, 1-2 years down the road we'll be getting a Korg triton for a couple of hundred bucks.

    I, for one, cannot wait.

    Food for thought.

    Darren

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Not quite what you're looking for, perhaps, but Roland's flagship digital synth (the V-Synth and the rackmount unit, the V-Synth XT) can be turned into a D50 with the addition of a $100-$150 card expansion card. The XT actually comes with this card built in, which is kinda cool. It's not an emulation either; since the D50 was digital, the card actually reproduces that synth in its entirety.
    Zircon Studios - Original music for media, electronica, sound design, and synthesis.

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    I've got one of them there Wavestations sitting here with a T2EX below it and a D550 next to them. :-)

    The WS was originally about $2395 I believe.

    FWIW, there is a D50 card for the Fanthom.

    The real power of this new Legacy collection will be if the two synths will be able to interact with each other... the way the Polysix/MS20 portions interacted in the original Legacy.

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Correction... I guess it's the VSynth as Andrew says.

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Roland did do something similar with their VariOS system that offered (enhanced) JP8 plus modelled TB303 and TR sound/look-alikes but there were no - or few - takers.

    Yes - Korg have to be applauded at their brave step for making their 'legacy' gear available as a cheap VSTi but I have to wonder if this is actually profitable for them (especially given that cracks are readily available on P2P networks )

    I find it ironic that people of this parish are prepared to pay good money for some specialist software library but look down on synths/workstations from Korg/Roland/Yamaha et al....

    Until they give it away for $149!!

    As much (if not more) work goes into the creation of these products' sounds. Routinely expecting them for $149 in some throw-away plug-in is to do them a disservice - you try getting a usable ensemble orchestral string sound into 660kb!!! Laugh all you like but I'll bet more people have heard these on records or at concerts than they have some of of the 'superior' sound libs bandied about here.

    Not 'dissing'.... just (maybe) being realistic.

    Of course, at the end of the day, there is room for both and may the best man win.

    In the meantime, I guess I should don my asbestos suit to avoid the flames!

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Roland, for whatever reason, just doesn't like emulating or recreating their old stuff *for the most part*. The 303 filter for example, on the V-Synth, is a joke. Doesn't even come close to approximating the real thing. According to reviews of Cakewalk Kinetic, which prides itself on having "authentic Roland sounds", the sounds themselves are poor imitations of the actual 808/909/303 (etc) sounds. The Juno-D is the same way, it's not even an actual synth. The D50 card is really the only exception to this pattern that I can find.
    Zircon Studios - Original music for media, electronica, sound design, and synthesis.

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Aversa
    The Juno-D is the same way
    The Juno-D is a joke! A company trading on (exploiting) a 'brand-name'

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Darren,

    Where are you finding it for that price? Url please......

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    Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowsun
    The Juno-D is a joke! A company trading on (exploiting) a 'brand-name'
    Yeah, it's kind of unfortunate that Roland is doing that. I think the V-Synth has been their most innovative offering for awhile, now.
    Zircon Studios - Original music for media, electronica, sound design, and synthesis.

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    Wink Re: Korg is smart... Roland please follow suit

    I could be *totally* off base, but another thought that comes to my mind regarding legacy keyboards is where the interest lies.

    I would say it is less in the "antiquated" technology, and more in the nostalgia and usefulness of sounds (granted that some of that tech. is what made those sounds). That being said, I think most of us know that a lot of the sample-based sounds of Roland synths are actually licensed from Eric P.

    They made some $ off the top for the sounds no doubt, but probably more of the bottom line was met in the hardware that they sold. I'd be curious as to what the ratio of development/profit there actually would be if the licensed sounds only sold an inexpensive VSTi skin and not the neato lights and clickety-clackety buttons. Also, much of Roland's thunder might in a sense be "stolen" by the fact that their main sounds guy is already releasing the essence of their offerings from his own company.

    Maybe Korg is "able" to do this a little more cost effectively because they did a little less licensing and a little more "in-house". Of course, I could totally be wrong...but that'd be a first!

    Best! -Tweed

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