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    Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Hey guys! I've been rattlin' ma brains trying to do diverse montage demos, to little effect. Nothing seemed to connect well.

    HOWEVER, I did score a "film" that was basically a montage of special effects clips. The music therefore was pretty montageish sounding, though always within the scope of "big orchestra". Here it is:

    http://rogetmusic.com/music/wroget-orchestral1.mp3



    Think this would work for a demo? Thanks!
    Wilbert Roget, II
    Composer
    Rogetmusic.com

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Hey Will,
    it works for me. It is very dynamic and action driven. How did you put that together? Is is all sample based or live players?

    Keith Kehrer
    Kamakaze Music

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    That's awesome Will. Great composition. That would work great for a demo, or at least part of a demo.

    How was that mastered? Everything sounds good until the whole orchestra is playing and then it gets a little washy. Maybe too much reverb? Was there a lot of compression added? It's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is.

    That's just a minor beef though. You could throw it on a demo as is and people will be impressed, but your fellow audio specialists might pick up on what I'm hearing.
    Michael Peter

    If music be the food of love...
    play on

    William Shakespeare

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Yeah that's awesome. It shows you have command of an orchestra.

    But I agree with Michael, sounds a bit verby. Also very boomy bass and not enough presence to my ears.
    Chris Rickwood
    www.rickwoodmusic.com

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Hey guys, thanks for listening!

    Good catch on the reverb, however that was for a reason. This was from a film, and there were of course lots of sound effects on top, so I pushed things back further than if it were for a game. The volume also isn't always at the absolute maximum too, since I wanted the levels to correspond with the action.

    Plus, I just have a thing for reverb, hehe. Is it really that problematic for you audio guys? If so then I can tone it down for my upcoming work, but I generally tend to feel as though I'm not hearing enough... I guess I compare with film or live classical music, and not the in-your-face close mic'd Zimmer sound... big surprise that one of my influences was Jeremy Soule, right?

    But yeah, I used Izotope Ozone to master it, with loudness maximizing and a little bit of stereo/harmonic excitement. The bass seems boomy and not enough presence, eh? Think I can fix this by EQ boosting the upper mids, cutting lower mids to decrease mud and maybe rolling off the bass?


    As far as demos go, I think I'll keep this one in full (instead of chopping it up like I was planning), and as like track 1 of a CD. Then I could try making a true montage of my less orchestral stuff as track 2.... more on this later


    Thanks again!
    Wilbert Roget, II
    Composer
    Rogetmusic.com

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Oh and djkamakaze, it's all sampled. I use VSL opus-1 along with EWQL silver; they complement each other surprisingly well, and are just a boatload of fun to work with. I tweak and edit sample libraries like a madman, it's my passion


    (if only I could get a job doing just that...)
    Wilbert Roget, II
    Composer
    Rogetmusic.com

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    I listened to it a few more times and really let it sink in.

    I think my ears deceived me. It's only the french horns and the trumpets that sound dull, and even then it's only during all the stacc phrases from 42.5 to 1:28. I think if you brought those up just a bit during that section it would sound better. Other than that this is just spectacular.

    I have to say man. Great Job. This is quite a phenomenal production. Have you done any live recording to mix in with your libraries? Having nice live solo instruments weaved in really adds to the effect. Not for this piece obviously, but generally speaking.

    If I were evaluating you for a video game I would be really impressed with this piece. It reminds me of Final Fantasy and it shows mastery and talent. I would want to hear something really emotional, like a very moving main theme, to accompany it. I should say though, that if you'd like to do music for games you should tailor each demo to the game you're submitting for.

    Post some more music!!
    Michael Peter

    If music be the food of love...
    play on

    William Shakespeare

    homepage

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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Thanks! Again glad you liked it, and that's a good suggestion to follow up this demo with something more melodic. I'm thinking for track 2 in a demo, I could use something like this:

    http://www.rogetmusic.com/music/wrog...ement_full.mp3

    If you've been to my site, this is a full version of the "Atonement Main Theme" clip that's up there. I only put the faster/more bombastic part online at first, but I'm thinking of using this full version so that people can hear my more mellow, textural orchestrations.

    About live recording, both the orchestral demo and this Atonement piece have live trumpet solos; the atonement one has some live violin too. I tried to EQ them to sound like they were a part of the band, and not seperately recorded.
    Wilbert Roget, II
    Composer
    Rogetmusic.com

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    Thumbs up Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    fantastic stuff, about the first posting, I could tell the trumpet was recorded later as a solo instrument, but this certainly is not bad at all for film or game music, actually I think it is probably better in that sense, because of all the action effects that you have already mentioned.

    For future reference? - man I hate giving advice because who am I, really?? But in my experience, mic those soloists with two mics, one up close like you did, and one at least 5 feet away. You can then use either mic (whichever seems to blend better), or usually the case would be for me to use a mix of both. Just a suggestion! But good lord, sounds great over here!
    ________________________________
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    Re: Would this work for an orchestral demo?

    Thanks for the advice, you're absolutely right about the solo recording. These were all done with my trumpet friend's mic and a minidisc, recorded in random rooms we could find that didn't have anyone around. Pretty bootleg, eh?

    However, I managed to score a Behringer 2-input mixer and an MXL990/991 condenser mics package deal. Now whenever I record anything, I use both mics at once so that I can play around with the relative timbres. I'm really pleased with this purchase, too bad I didn't get it while I was still at college and could have stuff played for me for free. Oh well, live and learn.
    Wilbert Roget, II
    Composer
    Rogetmusic.com

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