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    GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    RE: Forthcoming JABB Collection

    I was wondering if there will be anyway to control Wah Wah effects (Plunger Cupped over and opening on Bell) with the Trumpets and 'bones. If no, maybe for the future?

    Erik

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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    In the listing of instruments I see "mutes". Nothing pertaining to the plunger wah wah effect.
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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    Good question!

    Then again, so *many* answers at this point that I'm dying to know!

    Need... more... patience...

    - m
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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Music
    I asked the same thing when the JABB demos where first posted, but never got an answer. I don't see plunger mutes listed at all. I hope they were not overlooked. To me they are a very important jazz effect that I have still not found anywhere in any other library. I needed them all the time for musical theater scores. I don't wanna hold up the release of JABB, but maybe they could be added in an update. I can't imagine Ellington charts without plunger mute effects.

    Tom

    PS. I am NOT dissin JABB. From what I've heard so far it's fantastic. I just don't wanna be disappointed like I was when I found out GPO didn't have string harmonics.
    It's easy to imitate wah wah with a steep lowpass with a bit of resonance. Toss that onto a mute sample, and there you go. Maybe they will include some patches along those lines?

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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    I'm not sure if a strict lowpass will do it, just as a simple highpass won't get you to a straight mute automatically (and a bandpass for cup mutes). Worth fiddling with in a pinch, though.

    Incidentally, the original/early JABB info had plunger mutes included. In fact, it looks like pre-order information at various online stores has it listed, but not currently on the official Garritan JABB page.

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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    Hmmmmm.

    Not an easy thing to implement I'm sure. I imagine it to be a simple cross fade between and open plunger and a closed, but it can't be that simple.

    It would be nice to control the "wha" in real time like a real player. Maybe a volume pedal could control it? I assume the mod wheel is still reserved for volume in this new library.

    At this point I'm wondering what routing it through my Morley guitar wah pedal would do.

    If anyone can figure it out, I'm sure Hopkins can.

    Erik

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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Markleford
    I'm not sure if a strict lowpass will do it, just as a simple highpass won't get you to a straight mute automatically (and a bandpass for cup mutes).
    - m
    That's why you start with a muted sample. Slapping it onto an open horn isn't going to work very well.

    The trick is to do subtle detuning as the lowpass closes down.

    Sure it's not the real thing, but it can be fairly convincing.

    Give it a shot before denouncing it!

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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimi
    Give it a shot before denouncing it!
    Oh, I'm not arguing! Just emphasizing that it's not always as simple as a filter, as you already know. There's the affect on pitch, as you mention. I believe straight mutes go sharp, and cup mutes go flat. And there's even the effect on range: try playing to the lowest note on a cornet with a Harmon mute! Near impossible.

    But you're right, it could be fairly convincing. Especially in an ensemble context, with the additional benefit of less sample capture work.

    - m
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    Re: GJABB Brass - Plunger Wah Wah Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Markleford
    Oh, I'm not arguing! Just emphasizing that it's not always as simple as a filter, as you already know. There's the affect on pitch, as you mention. I believe straight mutes go sharp, and cup mutes go flat. And there's even the effect on range: try playing to the lowest note on a cornet with a Harmon mute! Near impossible.

    But you're right, it could be fairly convincing. Especially in an ensemble context, with the additional benefit of less sample capture work.

    - m
    Yeah I'm not claiming it's the real thing, but really, it's not very far from the real wah-wah effect. It even works pretty darned well for solos.

    Dub a live trumpet over it, and everyone will think you've recorded a real brass section ;-)

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