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    Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    A few months back, Dan did an A/B comparison of a sample mockup and a recording of a real orchestra playing a Clara Schumman Concerto and also the Second Movement of Dvoraks New World Symphony. This time he has completed the First movement of the Dvorak (Symphony No. 9 in E minor) and has again done a spectacular job.

    Here is Dan's version of Dvorak's New Work Symphony alternating between both real orchestra and samples:

    http://www.garritan.com/mp3/Dvorakco...ave192kbps.MP3

    See if you can tell where the samples are playing and where the real orchestra is playing.

    If you can hear the differences, list the spots where you think the real orchestra is playing and where it is samples.

    This is something fun and I encourage others to do what Dan did and to emulate the masters. Many students in the colleges and universities often take an orchestral piece and do mock-ups of the classics. This is a great way to get into the mind of a composer/conductor. Also going from MIDI-mlockup to real orchestra, as we did in the GPO Competition, is also helpful in learning a great deal about orchestration.

    If you can figure out which segments are the real orchestra and which are samples, let us know. The last time some posted that the differences were obvious (after the identity of real/samples were posted). This time let's see if you can the difference without the times being posted.

    Dan can perhaps further tweak and refine his orchestral mockup based on your suggestions.

    Thanks again Dan for showing us what is possible. As with learning real instruments, there is a great deal of skill and expertise that your have acquired.

    Comments and suggestions are welcome as to how to improve the orchestral rendition.

    Bravo Dan!

    Gary Garritan

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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    I could make some guesses, but to be quite honest, this is so well done, I'd rather just sit back and listen to the great piece! As far as I'm concerned, Dan is the master!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Garritan
    This is something fun and I encourage others to do what Dan did and to emulate the masters. Many students in the colleges and universities often take an orchestral piece and do a mock-up of the classics. This is a great way to get into the mind of a composer/conductor.
    Very true! And with GPO, you can easily hear each instrument or section separately, an incredible education technique. I will definitely have to start doing some myself!

    You always amaze me, Dan!
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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    The distinguishing factor for me was that the strings were bright in GPO
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    Gary, yes it could be heard - but very good effort from Dan Kury! Don't want to ruin the fun for the others so no hints from me at this point.
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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    I'm out of town listening on 18 dollar headphones with my laptop, and I can't detect any change between GPO and the Sym, though there were a few places where the attacks on strings sounded like they could have been GPO.

    What can I say, another stunning job by the maestro!

    Rick

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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garritan
    See if you can figure out which segments are the real orchestra and which are samples. Dan can perhaps further tweak and refine his orchestral mockup based on your suggestions.

    Bravo Dan!
    I'm the "low man on the totem pole" here - I cannot hear a difference so this tells me two things:

    1. GPO is awesome- the possilities are lunlimited!
    2. Dan and others like him are amazing!

    I'm inspired!

    God bless.

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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    Any guesses?

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    Wouldn't dare to guess!

    It's fantasitic to be able to do such a convinving mock-up in itself.

    It's even more amazing to have it match an existing orchestra.

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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    Hi everyone!
    thank you for the compliments... Christopher, where are the strings bright?
    come on Falc, spit it out... take a chance, also for those who would consider cheating by using the link from my other topic and lining them up in your DAW, shame on you, you shouldn't have to do that

    Make some guesses, nobody will be exactly correct. I messed up when I did it. I will tell you that sometimes the crossfades take place at rests, while other times, the splice is in a spot that has no relevance to time.

    Have some fun with this, we all could use a little cheering up and some carefree fun in our lives these days.

    Thank you for posting this Gary.


    Dan

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    Re: Comparison of Samples to Real Orchestra - Can you tell what is real?

    Okay, I'll take one stab. Listening through headphones this time...

    4:52 there's series of repeating trumpet notes that are too precise to me, including a little stereo glitch at 4:55. That would lead me to believe GPO.

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