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    VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    I'm considering purchasing Kontakt 2 and was wondering what people's opinions were about the included VSL collection. I'm currently using GPO, EWQLSO Silver and have Miroslav Philharmonik on order but I'm always looking to expand my palette. Would the VSL instruments play nicely with my other libraries? I couldn't find an actual instrument/articulation list - maybe someone can provide a link to one. Thanks.

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    The k2 vsl library is similar to, though slightly larger than, the vsl giga library. That list of articulations is on the gigastudio website (somewhere ...). It is pretty complete for a basic set of orchestral articulations (usually, two staccatos, and a sustain, plus things like string tremolos and pizzicati). Has two, sometimes three, dynamic levels. Also, the sample data is not encrypted, so you can imported it elsewhere if desired (I have combined some of the giga and k2 versions together, filling in a few blanks in one or the other). Here goes an unformatted list, good luck interpretting it!

    01 Violin ensemble - 14
    02 Viola ensemble - 10
    03 Cello ensemble - 8
    04 Double Bass ensemble - 6
    05 Harp
    06 Piccolo Flute
    07 Flute
    08 Oboe
    09 Clarinet
    10 Bassoon
    11 Horn solo
    12 Horn ensemble - 4
    13 Trumpet solo
    14 Trumpet ensemble - 3
    15 Trombone solo
    16 Trombone ensemble - 3
    17 Bass Tuba
    18 French Oboe
    19 english Horn
    20 Cymbals
    21 Timpani
    22 Drums
    23 Mallets & Bells
    24 Percussion
    01 Violin ensemble - 14:
    VI-14_RS_f
    VI-14_RS_mf
    VI-14_mV_sforz_fp1
    VI-14_mV_sforz_sfz1
    VI-14_mV_sus_f
    VI-14_mV_sus_mf
    VI-14_mV_sus_p
    VI-14_perf-leg_p
    VI-14_pz_mV_ff1
    VI-14_pz_mV_mf1
    VI-14_pz_mV_p1
    VI-14_stac_f1
    VI-14_stac_f2
    VI-14_stac_ff1
    VI-14_stac_ff2
    VI-14_stac_mf1
    VI-14_stac_mf2
    VI-14_trem_RS_ff
    VI-14_trem_RS_mf
    VI-14_trem_RS_p
    VI-14_trem_sus_ff
    VI-14_trem_sus_mf
    VI-14_trem_sus_p

    02 Viola ensemble - 10:
    VA-10_RS_f
    VA-10_RS_ff
    VA-10_RS_mp
    VA-10_mV_sforz_fp
    VA-10_mV_sforz_sfz
    VA-10_mV_sus_f
    VA-10_mV_sus_mf
    VA-10_mV_sus_mp
    VA-10_perf-leg_p
    VA-10_pz_f1
    VA-10_pz_p1
    VA-10_stac_f1
    VA-10_stac_f2
    VA-10_stac_ff1
    VA-10_stac_ff2
    VA-10_stac_mf1
    VA-10_stac_mf2
    VA-10_trem_RS_f
    VA-10_trem_RS_mf
    VA-10_trem_RS_p
    VA-10_trem_sus_f
    VA-10_trem_sus_mf
    VA-10_trem_sus_p

    03 Cello ensemble - 8:
    VC-8_RS_f
    VC-8_RS_mf
    VC-8_RS_p
    VC-8_mV_02leg_p
    VC-8_mV_0aT1-legsus_p
    VC-8_mV_sforz_fp
    VC-8_mV_sforz_sfz
    VC-8_mV_sus-sh_mf
    VC-8_mV_sus_f
    VC-8_mV_sus_mf
    VC-8_mV_sus_p
    VC-8_pz_f1
    VC-8_pz_mf1
    VC-8_pz_p
    VC-8_stac_f1
    VC-8_stac_f2
    VC-8_stac_ff1
    VC-8_stac_ff2
    VC-8_stac_mf1
    VC-8_stac_mf2
    VC-8_trem_RS_ff
    VC-8_trem_RS_mf
    VC-8_trem_RS_p
    VC-8_trem_sus_ff
    VC-8_trem_sus_mf
    VC-8_trem_sus_p

    04 Double Bass ensemble - 6:
    KB-6_RS_f
    KB-6_RS_p
    KB-6_leg-rep_4-60
    KB-6_pz_f1
    KB-6_pz_p1
    KB-6_sforz_fp
    KB-6_sforz_sfz
    KB-6_stac_f1
    KB-6_stac_f2
    KB-6_stac_mf1
    KB-6_stac_mf2
    KB-6_stac_p1
    KB-6_stac_p2
    KB-6_sus_f
    KB-6_sus_p
    KB-6_trem_RS_f
    KB-6_trem_RS_mf
    KB-6_trem_RS_p
    KB-6_trem_sus_f
    KB-6_trem_sus_mf
    KB-6_trem_sus_p

    05 Harp:
    HA_ES_f
    HA_ES_flag_p
    HA_ES_mf
    HA_ES_p

    06 Piccolo Flute:
    PFL_LV_nA_sus_f
    PFL_LV_nA_sus_mf
    PFL_LV_nA_sus_p
    PFL_RS_f
    PFL_RS_mf
    PFL_RS_p
    PFL_mV_sforz_fp
    PFL_mV_sforz_sfz
    PFL_stac_f1
    PFL_stac_f2
    PFL_stac_mf1
    PFL_stac_mf2
    PFL_stac_p1
    PFL_stac_p2

    07 Flute:
    FL1_0aT1-legsus_p
    FL1_LV_na_sus_f
    FL1_LV_na_sus_mf
    FL1_LV_na_sus_mp
    FL1_RS_f
    FL1_RS_mf
    FL1_RS_p
    FL1_mV_02leg_p
    FL1_sforz_fp
    FL1_sforz_sfz
    FL1_stac_f1
    FL1_stac_f2
    FL1_stac_ff1
    FL1_stac_ff2
    FL1_stac_mf1
    FL1_stac_mf2

    08 Oboe:
    OB_RS_f
    OB_RS_mf
    OB_RS_mp
    OB_pA_sus_f
    OB_pA_sus_mf
    OB_pA_sus_mp
    OB_sforz_3s_fp
    OB_sforz_3s_sfz
    OB_stac_f1
    OB_stac_f2
    OB_stac_mf1
    OB_stac_mf2
    OB_stac_mp1
    OB_stac_mp2

    09 Clarinet:
    BKL_RS_f
    BKL_RS_mf
    BKL_RS_p
    BKL_pA_sus_f
    BKL_pA_sus_mf
    BKL_pA_sus_p
    BKL_pA_sus_pp
    BKL_sforz_fp
    BKL_sforz_sfz
    BKL_stac_f1
    BKL_stac_f2
    BKL_stac_mf1
    BKL_stac_mf2
    BKL_stac_p1
    BKL_stac_p2
    BKL_stac_pp1
    BKL_stac_pp2
    KLB_RS_f
    KLB_RS_mp
    KLB_RS_pp
    KLB_pA_sus_f
    KLB_pA_sus_mf
    KLB_pA_sus_mp
    KLB_pA_sus_p
    KLB_sforz_fp
    KLB_sforz_sfz
    KLB_stac_f1
    KLB_stac_f2
    KLB_stac_ff1
    KLB_stac_ff2
    KLB_stac_mf1
    KLB_stac_mf2
    KLB_stac_mp1
    KLB_stac_mp2

    10 Bassoon:
    FA_RS_f
    FA_RS_ff
    FA_RS_mf
    FA_fp
    FA_nA_sus_f
    FA_nA_sus_ff
    FA_nA_sus_mf
    FA_sfz
    FA_stac_f1
    FA_stac_f2
    FA_stac_ff1
    FA_stac_ff2
    FA_stac_mf1
    FA_stac_mf2
    KFA_RS_ff
    KFA_RS_mf
    KFA_RS_p
    KFA_nA_sus_ff
    KFA_nA_sus_mf
    KFA_nA_sus_p
    KFA_sforz_fp
    KFA_sforz_sfz
    KFA_stac_f1
    KFA_stac_f2
    KFA_stac_mf1
    KFA_stac_mf2
    KFA_stac_p1
    KFA_stac_p2

    11 Horn solo:
    HO-L_oV_nA_sus_f
    HO-L_oV_nA_sus_ff
    HO-L_oV_nA_sus_mf
    HO-L_oV_nA_sus_mp
    HO_RS_f
    HO_RS_ff
    HO_RS_mf
    HO_RS_p
    HO_oV_sforz_fp_4s
    HO_oV_sforz_sfz_4s
    HO_stac_f1
    HO_stac_f2
    HO_stac_mf1
    HO_stac_mf2
    HO_stac_mp1
    HO_stac_mp2

    12 Horn ensemble - 4:
    HO-4_02leg_mp
    HO-4_RS_f
    HO-4_RS_mf
    HO-4_RS_p
    HO-4_nA_sus_f
    HO-4_nA_sus_mf
    HO-4_nA_sus_p
    HO-4_sforz_fp_3s
    HO-4_sforz_sfz_3s
    HO-4_stac_f1
    HO-4_stac_f2
    HO-4_stac_mf1
    HO-4_stac_mf2
    HO-4_stac_p1
    HO-4_stac_p2

    13 Trumpet solo:
    TrC-L_oV_nA_sus_f
    TrC-L_oV_nA_sus_ff
    TrC-L_oV_nA_sus_mf
    TrC-L_oV_nA_sus_mp
    TrC_RS_f
    TrC_RS_ff
    TrC_RS_mf
    TrC_RS_p
    TrC_oV_sforz_3s_fp
    TrC_oV_sforz_3s_sfz
    TrC_stac_f1
    TrC_stac_f2
    TrC_stac_ff1
    TrC_stac_ff2
    TrC_stac_mf1
    TrC_stac_mf2
    TrC_stac_p1
    TrC_stac_p2

    14 Trumpet ensemble - 3:
    TR-3_sforz_fp_3s
    TR-3_sforz_sfz_3s
    Tr-3_RS_f
    Tr-3_RS_mf
    Tr-3_RS_p
    Tr-3_nA_sus_f
    Tr-3_nA_sus_mf
    Tr-3_nA_sus_p
    Tr-3_stac_f1
    Tr-3_stac_f2
    Tr-3_stac_ff1
    Tr-3_stac_ff2
    Tr-3_stac_mf1
    Tr-3_stac_mf2
    Tr-3_stac_p1
    Tr-3_stac_p2

    15 Trombone solo:
    TP-L_oV_nA_sus_f
    TP-L_oV_nA_sus_ff
    TP-L_oV_nA_sus_mp
    TP-L_oV_nA_sus_pp
    TP_RS_f
    TP_RS_ff
    TP_RS_mf
    TP_oV_sforz_fp_4s
    TP_oV_sforz_sfz_4s
    TP_stacc_f1
    TP_stacc_f2
    TP_stacc_mf1
    TP_stacc_mf2
    TP_stacc_p1
    TP_stacc_p2

    16 Trombone ensemble - 3:
    PO-3_RS_f
    PO-3_RS_ff
    PO-3_RS_mf
    PO-3_RS_p
    PO-3_leg-rep_4-60
    PO-3_nA_sus_f
    PO-3_nA_sus_ff
    PO-3_nA_sus_mf
    PO-3_sforz_fp_3s
    PO-3_sforz_sfz_3s
    PO-3_stac_f1
    PO-3_stac_f2
    PO-3_stac_ff1
    PO-3_stac_ff2
    PO-3_stac_mf1
    PO-3_stac_mf2

    17 Bass Tuba:
    KTU-L_nA_sus_f
    KTU-L_nA_sus_mf
    KTU-L_nA_sus_p
    KTU_RS_f
    KTU_RS_mf
    KTU_RS_p
    KTU_sforz_fp
    KTU_sforz_sfz
    KTU_stac_f1
    KTU_stac_f2
    KTU_stac_ff1
    KTU_stac_ff2
    KTU_stac_mf1
    KTU_stac_mf2
    KTU_stac_p1
    KTU_stac_p2
    TU-L_oV_nA_sus_f
    TU-L_oV_nA_sus_mp
    TU-L_oV_nA_sus_pp
    TU_RS_f
    TU_RS_mp
    TU_oV_sforz_fp_3s
    TU_oV_sforz_sfz_3s
    TU_stacc_f1
    TU_stacc_f2
    TU_stacc_ff1
    TU_stacc_ff2
    TU_stacc_mp1
    TU_stacc_mp2

    18 French Oboe:
    OB2-L_mV_nA_sus
    OB2_RS
    OB2_fp
    OB2_sfz
    OB2_stac_1
    OB2_stac_2

    19 english Horn:
    EH_RS_f
    EH_RS_mf
    EH_RS_mp
    EH_pA_sus_f
    EH_pA_sus_mf
    EH_pA_sus_mp
    EH_sforz_fp
    EH_sforz_sfz
    EH_stac_f1
    EH_stac_f2
    EH_stac_mf1
    EH_stac_mf2
    EH_stac_p1
    EH_stac_p2

    20 Cymbals:
    02 Tam_60
    04 Tam_100
    06 Tam_130
    BE_a-due_20Is_f
    HB1-L_trem
    HB1_RS_trem_Me

    21 Timpani:
    Tmp-L_ME_trem_f
    Tmp-L_ME_trem_ff
    Tmp-L_ME_trem_p
    Tmp-L_ME_trem_pp
    Tmp_ME_ES_f1
    Tmp_ME_ES_f2
    Tmp_ME_ES_ff1
    Tmp_ME_ES_ff2
    Tmp_ME_ES_mf1
    Tmp_ME_ES_mf2
    Tmp_ME_ES_mp1
    Tmp_ME_ES_mp2
    Tmp_ME_ES_p1
    Tmp_ME_ES_p2
    Tmp_ME_ES_pp1
    Tmp_ME_ES_pp2
    Tmp_ME_RS_trem_f
    Tmp_ME_RS_trem_ff
    Tmp_ME_RS_trem_p
    Tmp_ME_RS_trem_pp

    22 Drums:
    GTr1_ES_f1
    GTr1_ES_f2
    GTr1_ES_ff1
    GTr1_ES_ff2
    GTr1_ES_mf1
    GTr1_ES_mf2
    GTr1_ES_p1
    GTr1_ES_p2
    GTr1_ES_pp1
    GTr1_ES_pp2
    KTr-4_ES_f
    KTr-4_ES_ff
    KTr-4_ES_fff
    KTr-4_ES_mf
    KTr-4_ES_mp
    KTr-4_ES_p
    KTr-4_ES_pp
    KTr-4_ES_ppp
    KTr-4_RS_trem
    KTr-4_trem
    KTr-L_trem
    KTr_RS_trem
    KTr_f
    KTr_ff
    KTr_mf
    KTr_p
    Tamb1-L_trm
    Tamb1_ES_f
    Tamb1_ES_ff
    Tamb1_ES_mp
    Tamb1_ES_p
    Tamb1_ES_sfz
    Tamb1_RS_trem
    Tamb2-L_trm
    Tamb2_ES_f
    Tamb2_ES_ff
    Tamb2_ES_mp
    Tamb2_ES_p
    Tamb2_ES_sfz
    Tamb2_RS_trem

    23 Mallets & Bells:
    CE_ES_f
    CE_ES_mf
    CE_ES_p
    CE_ES_pp
    Church_Bells
    Gsp_ME_L_f
    Gsp_ME_L_mf
    Gsp_ME_L_p
    Marimba Samples
    Xyl_HO_f_L
    Xyl_HO_mf_L
    Xyl_HO_p_L

    24 Percussion:
    TG1_ES_di_f
    TG1_ES_di_ff
    TG1_ES_di_mp
    TG1_ES_di_pp
    TG2_ES_di_f
    TG2_ES_di_mp
    TG2_ES_di_pp

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    I think VSL is always a good choice. The recordings and playing are universally exquisite.

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    Thanks guys. Yes, that is an impressive list and I think the demos on the NI site sound great. I think that pretty much clinches it.

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    I bought this based on their current pricing as well. A very good deal considering everything you get. Its worth it to just buy any interesting Kompakt based instrument now to get the upgrade price. Looking forward to that library.

    steve

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    Quote Originally Posted by gugliel
    The k2 vsl library is similar to, though slightly larger than, the vsl giga library. That list of articulations is on the gigastudio website (somewhere ...). It is pretty complete for a basic set of orchestral articulations (usually, two staccatos, and a sustain, plus things like string tremolos and pizzicati). Has two, sometimes three, dynamic levels. Also, the sample data is not encrypted, so you can imported it elsewhere if desired (I have combined some of the giga and k2 versions together, filling in a few blanks in one or the other). Here goes an unformatted list, good luck interpretting it!
    Would you say that it's about the same as opus 1?

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    I have Kontakt 2 w. VSL bundled samples and it is very substantial. Lots of great sounds like celeste, tam tam, legato French Horn section (which I'm addicted to and use all of the time), legato solo flute (also outstanding), vln mod wheel patch where the attack and brightness of the violin section is controlled by mod wheel messages. Really expressive and more realistic than velocity-based samples IMO.

    I had Kontakt 1.53 so my upgrade was under $200 Canadian so this was a no brainer. It was that or buy EWQLSO Silver Pro and I'm glad I went for Kontakt 2 since EWQLSO Pro series has been delayed until Sept 30.

    Conclusion- lots of great sounds to work with and an excellent interface.

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    Quote Originally Posted by tradivoro
    Would you say that it's about the same as opus 1?
    The Kontakt2 VSL library is about 7.4Gb and the Opus1 library is 25Gb. But i'm sure they are using the same samples in both libraries, just that there's less articulations in the Kontakt2 version.

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    Quote Originally Posted by cryocon
    The Kontakt2 VSL library is about 7.4Gb and the Opus1 library is 25Gb. But i'm sure they are using the same samples in both libraries, just that there's less articulations in the Kontakt2 version.

    Thanks Cryocon

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    Re: VSL in Kontakt 2 - worth getting?

    There are also about 7 gigs of other samples included with the product.

    The current upgrade deal is a can't miss. I've been going back and forth about getting K2, but as soon as I finish this project I'm whipping our the plastic.

    $289 for that powerful of a sampler PLUS those 'free' samples is a steal - even if you already own GS3. Well, maybe not!

    The only thing is the silly copy protection and dealing with NI which can be arduous.

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