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    Some saxy thoughts

    There are some instruments like the Yamaha WX7,
    made for saxplayers to play keyboardsounds.

    Great invention for them, BUT:

    I think, some of us are keyboarder who want to play a
    saxophon sound on keyboardkeys, not sax keys.

    Since I could sing (blow) the melodyline that I want to play,
    is there any vocoder like midicontroller that recognizes different articulations
    made by "talking" the melody, and could translate it into intelligent
    midicontroller data?

    Chris Hein

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    Re: Some saxy thoughts

    That would be great.

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    Re: Some saxy thoughts

    "Hard-Fi" is a great band from London.
    http://www.hard-fi.com/flash.html
    They are using a mini keyboard controlled by breath live on stage.

    I can´t find any information about it. Just some photos:
    http://designermagazine.tripod.com/HardFiLIVEREV1.html
    http://www.gregorynolan.com/GNOLAN/r...rd_fi_koko.htm

    Does anyone know how this keyboard works
    and where I can get just the controllersystem?

    Chris Hein

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    One of those photos is clearly a melodica - made by Hohner for many years - it's basically a harmonica with keys instead of tonguing - and it's all blow, no suck. If he is processing the output, he could be into a unique sound, but it's not what you're looking for.

    Chris, it sounds like you and I are on very similar paths here - a midi controller with breath and velo+aftertouch keyboard, I also want a small ribbon for pitchbend (ala Kurz2600), but I'll settle for a well-placed wheel. I don't nderstand why Yamaha hasn't taken the mouthpiece setup from the WX series and grafted it to a keyboard - I'm sure it would sell decently enough to justify the production and marketing costs-heck, they could just add a socket at the end of one of their lighter synths, give it some clever marketing term like the 'Blowhole' or the 'BreathPort'. Sell the modified sax mouthpiece for $199 and voila - instant wind synth. Just plug it into the keyboard and suddenly you've got controllers coming out of your ears...
    Dasher
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    It's all about the music - really. I keep telling myself that...

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    Re: Some saxy thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by thesoundsmith
    One of those photos is clearly a melodica - made by Hohner for many years - it's basically a harmonica with keys instead of tonguing - and it's all blow, no suck. If he is processing the output, he could be into a unique sound, but it's not what you're looking for.
    Yes, I´ve seen the band on german TV.
    He always playes the harmonica very close to the mic.
    So it seens to be completly analog. Igit!
    Quote Originally Posted by thesoundsmith
    Chris, it sounds like you and I are on very similar paths here
    It´s a shame, only two guys who know how to build a better world. ;-)
    Quote Originally Posted by thesoundsmith
    I also want a small ribbon for pitchbend
    Here is something for you:
    http://www.wizardmedia.de/trombone/T...2001_Large.mov

    The ribbon controller will be available in september 2005 in a bundle with my brass-sounds

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    Re: Some saxy thoughts

    Very interesting.

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    Yamaha does indeed have a breath controller (BC3A) with no buttons or keys. Kind of like a set of headphones with a mouthpiece. It can be attached to sound modules like the Motif or VL1, and your breath can be assigned to control various parameters. I don't think it recognizes or transmits pitch information. Just CC2 data??? I don't have one, don't know much more about it, but I hear it's pretty cool (from 2 people). Maybe it's along the lines of what you've been looking for...

    Here's an mp3 of the breath controller being used with a Motif outfitted with an optional PLG150VL (acoustic synthesis) card:
    http://files.keyfax.com/PLG_Demos/vl_demo.mp3

    Here's a detailed tutorial demonstrating its use with a Motif ES:
    http://files2.keyfax.com/ESPDFs/BreathControl.pdf

    The demo sounds really good to me. Not because it sounds so authentic......but the breath controller adds a lot of dimension to the playing.

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    Great links guys,
    Thanks, that helps me a lot.
    I´m getting closer to the perfect controlled brass for keyboarders.

    Here is something for bruce:
    It could be difficult to get on an airplane with this instrument.
    http://www.patchmanmusic.com/MDTVide...1MattTraum.mov

    Chris Hein

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    Re: Some saxy thoughts

    Chris,

    Your ribbon controller looks (and sounds!) fantastic. Please explain more about it. How much are those wonderful trombone sounds specifically made for it? I’m wondering would it sound that good with other sounds/libraries. How much roughly will it cost? Will it really be out in September? How come this thread isn’t full of thousands of people asking you these questions?

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