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    Note transition in brass sounds

    By analizing a recorded saxophon, I found out, that the transition
    between two notes happens at the end of the first note.
    Only beginners and bad players make a slide in at the beginning of the tone.
    When the saxkey is pressed, the tone is there and does´nt change in pitch anymore.

    So, how to record and manage notetransitions in a solo brass instrument?
    - Recording every possible transition in every velocity and every articulation
    means, having about 15 times the sample count.(Thats 75.000 Samples for my sax)
    - Recording the transition at the end of the note as the beginning of the sample means,
    youre alway too late when playing. So every note has to be moved erlier in the editor.
    - Even a small blending in a solobrass sound produces flanging.
    Thats why releasetrails are not a solution.
    - How should the sampleinstrument know, wich tone you gonna play next?
    A software tool that analizes a recorded midiphrase could be it.
    But that can´t be played live anymore.

    Any thoughts about this from the brass and sampling experts?

    Chris Hein

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    What you describe is essentially how the VSL/Giga transition tools work. They are fast enough to use in real time (only a few milliseconds analysis time). Then, when you have finished the entire track, you just move it forward a few milliseconds to compensate (or use the sequencer's time +/- setting, which is how I do it).

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Yes, thats no problem with groups of strings and brass.
    But does it work with solobrass instruments?

    The mod-wheel velocity blend does not work in the VLS Lib that comes with Kontakt2.
    Its like having a flanger on the whole track.

    Chris Hein

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Chris (OT)

    I sent you 2 midi format arrangements..Why haven't you responded as to what you have or haven't done with them. I thought you were going to substitute a few of your brass or winds for my Yamaha samples..

    Alan Russell
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    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Chris, from the player perspective, it seems to me that not having the note transition while recording the sax track is not a big deal, as long as the transition is implemented once you playback your recording (isn'it the way Synful operates?)

    It would be wonderful to have a tool that responds exactly like the real deal but for now, I'd be happy to have these features available during playback only...

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Hi Alan,

    Sorry for that.
    I wrote you an email back the next day when I got your files.
    It seems, it did not reach you.

    The playing in your files is excellent, but the timing is totaly out of sync with the sequenzer.
    So, it was not really possible to work with these great arrangments.
    Maybe the tempo information is not stored in the midifile?

    At the moment I´m very busy assembling the last 800 Samples for the Tenor-Sax,
    but what I could do is:
    I send you an audiofile with the saxline of your song.
    You mix it in your arrangment, and post it here.

    How is that?

    Chris Hein

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by P de Caumette
    Chris, from the player perspective, it seems to me that not having the note transition while recording the sax track is not a big deal, as long as the transition is implemented once you playback your recording
    Thats absolutely right.
    Hmm, I spend 3.000 € for the VSL,
    but the performance tool and I, we never became friends.

    Chris Hein

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Try the VSL legato script for Kontakt 2 if you have it.. Much more convenient than the official tool, and works fine...

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Hein
    Hi Alan,

    Sorry for that.
    I wrote you an email back the next day when I got your files.
    It seems, it did not reach you.

    The playing in your files is excellent, but the timing is totaly out of sync with the sequenzer.
    So, it was not really possible to work with these great arrangments.
    Maybe the tempo information is not stored in the midifile?

    At the moment I´m very busy assembling the last 800 Samples for the Tenor-Sax,
    but what I could do is:
    I send you an audiofile with the saxline of your song.
    You mix it in your arrangment, and post it here.

    How is that?

    Chris Hein
    Chris,

    The metronome is probably missing..I've heard this before..I'll accept the horn track and try it from there.

    BTW, are any of your samples programmed for keying? Since I am a real time player, I can deal with keying when listening the misi track the second time around. Yellow Tools has this facility in their VST in the New Sax Library. (Candy) I just finished a demo for them and enjoyed having the keying feature so easy to use.

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: Note transition in brass sounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Russell
    Chris, are any of your samples programmed for keying?
    What is that?

    Chris Hein

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