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    Preview of "Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion" From Bardstown Audio

    In the next few weeks Bardstown Audio will be releasing "Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion," which will feature a most extensive assortment of the very best jazz cymbals and drums with goat skin heads, which make for a most desirable sound with considerable warmth, wide selection of Zildjian Constantinople and Zildjian K Custom Cymbals and Hi-Hats, and a huge selection of Latin Percussion with significant detail.

    This prized collection of "Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion" will be available in Giga Studio 3, Kontakt, Kompakt, HALion, EXS24, and Battery formats.

    Listed below is a preview of the basic jazz drum kit featuring both wood tip and nylon tip 7A jazz drum sticks. The brush kit will feature very similar mapping and layout as the basic jazz drum kit with sticks, but will feature wire brushes on the drums and wire brushes and dread locks on the cymbals and hi-hats.

    The Latin Percussion Kit will be featuring everything from Congas (Tumbadora, Conga, Quinta), Bongos, Timbales with both drum head and drum shell samples, Triangles, Castanets, Guiro, Cabasa, assortment of shakers, Cow Bells, Agogo Bells, Bar Chimes, Sleigh Bells, Zildjian Finger Cymbals, Vibra Slap, Slap Stick, Samba Whistle, Wood Block, plus much more.

    All drum samples feature both left and right hand sticking with many velocities. The featured drums in the Jazz Drum Set are Yamaha Maple Custom Absolute, consisting of a 20 X 16 Kick Drum, 14 X 4 Snare Drum, 12 X 8 Mounted Tom, and a 14 X 14 Floor Tom, which is the most ideal and traditional setup for a jazz drum set.

    All drums, cymbals, and percussion have been sample recorded with overhead omni mic'ing techniques, which is the best method for the best sounding jazz drums and percussion. 130 Volt DPA B&K 4003 omni mic's, Millennia HV3B Mic Preamps, Benchmark Converters, Magix Sequoia 8, and a great sounding room, were used to sample record all of these beautiful instruments.

    Below is the layout map of the Basic Jazz Drum Kit with sticks...

    General Midi “Plus Many Extras” Jazz Drum Kit

    F#1: Sizzle Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople
    20 inch Medium Thin High
    G1: Sizzle Ride Cymbal Bell, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    Thin High
    G#1: Sizzle Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 20
    inch Medium Thin High
    A1: Sizzle Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch
    Medium Thin High
    A#1: Empty

    B1: Kick Drum, 20 X 16 Resonate Ringing
    C2: Kick Drum, 20 X 16 Dry, Very Little Ringing
    C#2: Cross Stick Rim Shot
    D2: Snare, 14 X 4 Left Hand
    D#2: Snare, 14 X 4 Rim Shot
    E2: Snare, 14 X 4 Right Hand
    F2: Floor Tom, 14 X 14 Left Hand
    F#2: Closed Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople
    G2: Floor Tom, 14 X 14 Right Hand
    G#2: Pedal Hi-Hat Close, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople
    A2: Mounted Tom, 12 X 8 Left Hand
    A#2: Open Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople
    B2: Mounted Tom, 12 X 8 Right Hand
    C3: Snare, Snares Off, 14 X 4 Left Hand
    C#3: Crash Cymbal, Zildjian Constantinople 18 inch
    D3: Snare, Snares Off, 14 x 4 Right Hand
    D#3: Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    E3: Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    F3: Ride Cymbal Bell, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    F#3: Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    G3: Splash Cymbal, Avedis Zildjian 8 inch Extra Thin
    G#3: Cowbell, LP Black Beauty
    A3: Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium Thin High
    A#3: Ride Cymbal Bell, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium Thin High
    B3: Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    Thin High
    C4: Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 20 inch Medium
    Thin High
    C#4: Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 22 inch Medium
    D4: Ride Cymbal Bell, Zildjian Constantinople 22 inch Medium
    D#4: Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople 22 inch Medium
    E4: Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian Constantinople 22 inch Medium
    F4: Splash Cymbal Quick Dampen, Avedis Zildjian 8 inch Extra Thin
    F#4: Closed Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian K Hi-Hats
    G4: Slightly Open Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian K Hi-Hats
    G#4: Pedal Hi-Hat Close, 14 inch Zildjian K Hi-Hats
    A4: Pedal Hi-Hat Crash, 14 inch Zildjian K Hi-Hats
    A#4: Open Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian K Hi-Hats
    B4: Cymbal, Soft Yarn Mallet For Cymbal Rolls, Left Hand, Zildjian
    Constantinople 22 inch Medium
    C5: Cymbal, Soft Yarn Mallet For Cymbal Rolls, Right Hand, Zildjian
    Constantinople 22 inch Medium
    C#5: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride
    20 inch
    D5: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Flat Bell Area, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride
    20 inch
    D#5: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride
    20 inch.
    E5: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride 20 inch
    F5: Empty
    F#5: Closed Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople Hi-Hats
    G5: Slightly Open Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople Hi-Hats
    G#5: Pedal Hi-Hat Close, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople Hi-Hats
    A5: Pedal Hi-Hat Crash, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople Hi-Hats
    A#5: Open Hi-Hat Stick, 14 inch Zildjian Constantinople Hi-Hats
    B5: Empty
    C6: Empty
    C#6: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride
    18 inch
    D6: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Flat Bell Area, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride
    18 inch
    D#6: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride
    18 inch.
    E6: Flat Top Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian K Custom Flat Top Ride 18 inch
    F6: Snare, 14 X 4, Left Hand Center Area of Head
    F#6: Snare, 14 X 4, Left Hand Outer Area of Head
    G6: Snare, 14 X 4, Right Hand Center Area of Head
    G#6: Snare, 14 X 4, Right Hand Outer Area of Head
    A6: Snare, 14 X 4, Left Hand Rim Shot
    A#6: Empty
    B6: Snare, 14 X 4, Right Hand Rim Shot
    C7: Empty
    C#7: Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian K Custom Dry Light Ride 20 inch
    D7: Ride Cymbal Bell, Zildjian K Custom Dry Light Ride 20 inch
    D#7: Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian K Custom Dry Light Ride 20 inch
    E7: Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian K Custom Dry Light Ride 20 inch
    F7: Empty
    F#7: Ride Cymbal Wood Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople Big Band 21 inch
    G7: Ride Cymbal Bell, Zildjian Constantinople Big Band 21 inch
    G#7: Ride Cymbal Nylon Tip Stick, Zildjian Constantinople Big Band 21 inch
    A7: Ride Cymbal Crash, Zildjian Constantinople Big Band 21 inch
    A#7: Empty
    B7: Empty
    C8: Empty

    As you can see, you have all of the basic general midi drums mapped on the basic general midi drum map, plus a great deal more.

    Kip McGinnis
    Bardstown Audio
    www.bardstownaudio.com

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    Can't wait to hear it Kip, sampled drums have been of great interest to me for a while.

    Best of luck with wrapping up the release.
    Alan Lastufka | www.BelaDMedia.com
    Producer/Artistic Design | Content Producer

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    Kip,

    I commend you for your dedication to us Jazz musicians. It's truly about time that somebody is listening to our desires to have a few drum kits, sticks and brushes that WILL accomodate the percussive needs of the Jazz Genre.
    With your great experise as a sound developer, this will be a knock out library..

    wishing you continued success friend,

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    I thank all of you gentlemen for your comments, which are very much appreciated.

    Regarding snare drum brush swishes, the only way to make them usable at any tempo is to have one half circular swishes on two adjoining notes, where you can alternately play them in tempo on two adjoining keys, and to sample them in such a way that they are very smooth with no initial attack sound so that you can have a very smooth transition going from one of the half circular swishes to the other. This makes for a very easy and most convincing solution. Obviously there will be several pairs of these sampled swishes in order to accommodate slow, medium, and up tempo music.

    Kip McGinnis
    Bardstown Audio
    www.bardstownaudio.com

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardstown Audio

    Regarding snare drum brush swishes, the only way to make them usable at any tempo is to have one half circular swishes on two adjoining notes, where you can alternately play them in tempo on two adjoining keys, and to sample them in such a way that they are very smooth with no initial attack sound so that you can have a very smooth transition going from one of the half circular swishes to the other. This makes for a very easy and most convincing solution. Obviously there will be several pairs of these sampled swishes in order to accommodate slow, medium, and up tempo music.

    Kip McGinnis
    Bardstown Audio
    www.bardstownaudio.com
    Now this is interesting ... when can we expect to listen to some demos?
    best regards

    Przemyslaw K.

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    That list looks very nice Kip
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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    Kip,

    that Sizzle Cymbal is going to win the hearts of many. A great example of one is emulated in Ramsey Lewis's "The More I see You" where the drummer goes from brushes to sticks on the Sizzle Cymbal and than to mallets at the end with a good roll on the 20 inch crash. Getting goose bumps at this end!

    Thanks for considering the sizzle in this Jazz library.

    Alan Russell
    Please Visit My New & Revised Official Website Below

    http://AlanRussell-Music.com

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardstown Audio
    I thank all of you gentlemen for your comments, which are very much appreciated.

    Regarding snare drum brush swishes, the only way to make them usable at any tempo is to have one half circular swishes on two adjoining notes, where you can alternately play them in tempo on two adjoining keys, and to sample them in such a way that they are very smooth with no initial attack sound so that you can have a very smooth transition going from one of the half circular swishes to the other. This makes for a very easy and most convincing solution. Obviously there will be several pairs of these sampled swishes in order to accommodate slow, medium, and up tempo music.

    Kip McGinnis
    Bardstown Audio
    www.bardstownaudio.com
    Hi Kip,

    Good luck with all of this.

    The one thing I would put forward is that it would be desirable to have quite the overkill on layers, on alternate "swishes," etc.

    Becuase drums in the jazz genre are generally very highly exposed, it tends to expose repeated samples. I have some drum kit samples which are three to four layers, for instance, and those are almost useless for jazz because there are simply not enough hits in order to escape the ear's recognition of a sample that it has heard before.

    I would also recommend using round robins and setting up the library in such a way that it is virtually impossible to trigger a repeat "hit." This would be especially desirable on such overtone-rich materials as skin-headed drums, etc.

    Best of luck with your work.

    Bruce

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    Re: Preview of Jazz Drums and Latin Percussion From Bardstown Audio

    The problem with all the brush samples I've heard is they don't do anything close to the basic brush pattern.

    Kip knows this, but there are two hands going.

    Your right hand goes PAdum dum PAdum dum PAdum dum. You cross over the left hand, which is doing continuous circles, on every dum. The left hand is at about 9:00 at the dums attached to PAs and about 3:00 on the solitary dums.

    Got it?

    The point is that you can't do it with one sample. And Bruce is right - the same thing over and over isn't going to cut it.

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    The other thing is that the left hand isn't a continuous circle with one sound, it speeds up and slows down. Plus you break the pattern to pay little cross-accents, and the swish rushes a little when you're about to do that.

    I think it's a very difficult thing to sample. This might be a good application for loops...except they don't respond to what's going on.

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