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    Question What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    Hi,

    I'm wondering what the most extensively sampled single instrument is...?

    Not including multiple mic positions for the same strike.
    Not including performance samples (e.g. VSL performance set).
    Not including loops or pre-recorded licks or phrases.

    In other words - what single sampled instrument contains the most single stroke/hit/bow/blow samples.

    For example - SampleTekk White Grand would probably be a contender. But you could only count one of the mic position sets, as the other positions are only different in their ambience - i.e. there is no difference in the actual key strike.

    Another good example is DFH Superior. It contains loads of samples, many of which are multiple mic positions of the same strikes. There are also many different drum kits. For DFH Superior to qualify it would have to be for one of their kits only, and from one of the mic positions. Scarbee Imperial Drums, BFD/XL would be in the same boat.

    Another example - VSL Horizon Concert Guitar would qualify (as it's a single instrument) but not for it's performance samples or chords. On the other hand, VSL chamber strings wouldn't qualify, as it's contains recordings of string sections, not single instruments.

    I think you get the idea.

    In case you're wondering why I'm asking this - I'm trying to discern wheter or not ns_kit7 (the drum-kit library I'm working on) is a contender for most extensively sampled instrument ever. Also, it's quite a fun exercise to challenge all you sampled instrument boffins.

    Douglas.
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    I have not actually counted samples, but the Larry Seyer Acoustic Drum Library is probably a contender.

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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    Hi Bruce,

    Yeah - I wondered about that one. Anyone any ideas - Larry?

    Remember, in the case of drum-kit libraries, the sample count can only be for one complete kit - not the sum of all the various kits.

    To clarify - I realise that some drum libraries (mine included) might have different snares that you can use in the same kit. Clearly if these snares were recorded in the same position (i.e. at different times but on the same stand) it couldn't have been played in real life and as such doesn't qualify as one instrument. Make sense?

    In the same way, if there was a saxophone library with three different saxophones, only one of those would count as you could only play one of them at a time.

    Otherwise, you could just load up all the sounds within any given library and use that as the total sample count.
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    I'm pretty sure the original SID from Scarbee would be the winner in the drum catagory. That whole lib is one kit, on 3 DVDs. The sample count is rediculous.

    If talking all instruments, I'm sure the winner will be one of the newer pianos for a single instrument... Black/White Grands or The Emperor from Post.
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lastufka
    I'm pretty sure the original SID from Scarbee would be the winner in the drum catagory. That whole lib is one kit, on 3 DVDs. The sample count is rediculous.

    If talking all instruments, I'm sure the winner will be one of the newer pianos for a single instrument... Black/White Grands or The Emperor from Post.
    How many samples in those pianos? Also, with regards to Scarbee - it's not all one kit (as far as I'm aware). There are different snares and kicks. Also, there're multiple mic's. Anyone know how many single strike samples there are for one kit on one of the mic's?

    I'd be surprised if the biggest library was a piano - mainly due the minimal articulation when compared to a violin, for example - off the string/on the string staccato, flautando, up strokes, down strokes, pizz, bartok pizz, con sord. etc...
    douglas whates
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    The new SID XL released w/ Sonic Implants has multiple kits/pieces, but the original SID is only one kit AFAIK. Played with sticks, palms and brushes. And the multi-mics are, from what I can tell (please someone correct me if I'm wrong), are just routing samples to multiple outs, I don't think they are actually seperate mic samples.

    The reason I brought up the pianos (and I may be wrong) is because of the insane amount of velocities some of the newer pianos are getting. Sure violins have many more articulations, but usually only 2 or 3 velocity layers for them and far fewer notes in their range. Some of the new pianos have 32 velocities pedal up, 32 velocities pedal down for 88 notes.

    And pure sample count doesn't mean extensive. Extensive, IMO, is how detailed it was sampled - I don't think you'll find anything more detailed in its capture than the new pianos or drums. You don't see violin libs with 32 velocities.
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lastufka
    The new SID XL released w/ Sonic Implants has multiple kits/pieces, but the original SID is only one kit AFAIK. Played with sticks, palms and brushes. And the multi-mics are, from what I can tell (please someone correct me if I'm wrong), are just routing samples to multiple outs, I don't think they are actually seperate mic samples.
    I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there are multiple mic's. Also - I'm 99% certain there are different kicks and snares.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lastufka
    The reason I brought up the pianos (and I may be wrong) is because of the insane amount of velocities some of the newer pianos are getting. Sure violins have many more articulations, but usually only 2 or 3 velocity layers for them and far fewer notes in their range. Some of the new pianos have 32 velocities pedal up, 32 velocities pedal down for 88 notes.
    You're right - there are a lot of velocity layers. But as I said, there are limited articulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lastufka
    And pure sample count doesn't mean extensive. Extensive, IMO, is how detailed it was sampled - I don't think you'll find anything more detailed in its capture than the new pianos or drums. You don't see violin libs with 32 velocities.
    Definitely a valid point. I realise the wording in my original post may have implied otherwise -sorry. If a real instrument only had one note, one dynamic and one articulation, a three note sample set would be as extensive as that instrument could get! However, in general I'd imagine sample count will be relative to how extensively an instrument is sampled (especially when taking into account the conditions layed out in the original post).

    And yes - extensive is about the *detail* - 100% agreed. That's why I'm excluding multiple mic's from the sample count as that doesn't make the instrument any more detailed, only the recording.

    But seriously, are there no violin libraries out there with loads of articulations *and* loads of velocity layers?
    douglas whates
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    http://www.douglaswhates.com

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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    Quote Originally Posted by _naturalstudio_
    But seriously, are there no violin libraries out there with loads of articulations *and* loads of velocity layers?
    Well, the Kirk Hunter Solo Strings is impressive in both - but even more so for its sound. Not sure of the sample count but it comes on 2 dvds for the violin, viola, cello and bass. Great lib IMO.

    EDIT: 15,264 samples according to Windows -> Properties for the KH Solo Strings. And that's only one mic position.

    EDIT #2: And our own Lyrical Distortion is one guitar, one mic position at 4,184 samples.
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    [QUOTE=_naturalstudio_]How many samples in those pianos? QUOTE]

    Black Grand - 2352 samples/perspective
    White Grand/White Sister - 1822 samples each
    Upcoming SampleTekk Yamaha C7 - 4640 samples/perspective (might not use them all...)
    Upcoming SampleTekk Tubed Rhodes 73 - 2336 samples
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    Re: What's the most extensively sampled instrument?

    Hey Worra - they're the sort of stats I'm looking for - thanks!

    Also - may I take this oportunity to say that I really like the sound of the Black Grand mid-perspective. Something very Jarrett-esque about it; definitely not a bad thing!
    douglas whates
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