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    bush to seek ban on assisted suicide

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    Bush administration asks Supreme Court to block assisted suicide
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    By GINA HOLLAND
    Associated Press Writer
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration asked the Supreme
    Court on Tuesday to block the nation's only law allowing doctors to
    help terminally ill patients die more quickly.
    The appeal from Attorney General John Ashcroft had been expected
    since May, when a lower court ruled the federal government could
    not punish Oregon doctors who prescribed lethal doses of federally
    controlled drugs.
    Oregon voters approved the law and since 1998 more than 170
    people have used it to end their lives. Most had cancer.
    The Bush administration has argued that assisted suicide is not
    a "legitimate medical purpose" and that doctors take an oath to
    heal patients, not help them die.
    While not as prominent as abortion, the issue is an important
    one for conservative Christians, who helped Bush win a second term
    last week. The government waited until Tuesday, the final day
    possible, to file paperwork at the high court.
    Oregon's law, known as the Death With Dignity Act, lets patients
    with less than six months to live request a lethal dose of drugs
    after two doctors confirm the diagnosis and determine the person's
    mental competence to make the request.
    Paul Clement, acting solicitor general, said in the appeal that
    the law cannot stand because it conflicts with the federal
    government's powers.
    The Supreme Court probably will decide early next year whether
    it will hear the case. The court has been hearing cases now with
    eight members, because Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist is under
    treatment for thyroid cancer.
    The high court has dealt with right-to-die cases before.
    Justices held in 1997 that while Americans have no constitutional
    right to assisted suicide, states may decide the issue for
    themselves without federal interference.
    Oregon is the only state that has a right-to-die law, although
    leaders in other states have considered laws of their own.
    At issue for the court now would be the bounds of a federal law
    declaring what drugs doctors may prescribe. Traditionally states,
    not the federal government, regulate medical practices.
    A federal judge and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San
    Francisco have ruled that federal officials do not have the power
    to circumvent the Oregon law to punish health professionals in
    Oregon.

    (Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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    Re: bush to seek ban on assisted suicide

    Ah that's right.. it's wrong to pull the plug on a family member (by their request) if they are suffering huge amounts of pain every day, or have been reduced to a vegetable. But it's cool to march over to Iraq and blow up women and children. Nice!

    So, how does impeachment work exactly?
    Sam Hulick
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    Let's not forget that Bush sent hundreds of death row inmates to be executed!
    >>Kays
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    Culture of death.

    This goes hand-in-hand with those "Child Protection Services" cases where they charged the parents with "child abuse" for not letting the doctors put their newborns to death. No, I'm not kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midphase
    Let's not forget that Bush sent hundreds of death row inmates to be executed!
    A few of which were actually innocent. A good reason why I support an indefinite moratorium on capital punishment, until they can fix its inherent problems. Or possibly just get rid of it.
    Sam Hulick
    Composer
    http://www.samhulick.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDesigner
    A few of which were actually innocent. A good reason why I support an indefinite moratorium on capital punishment, until they can fix its inherent problems. Or possibly just get rid of it.
    Personally, I find it pretty creepy that the government puts people to death.

    And for the Biblically inclined, I'm not sure where the ambiguity is in "Thou shalt not kill".

    Or as the bumper sticker says: "Why do we kill people to show people who kill people that killing people is wrong?" (or whatever the actual wording is).

    just kinda a pet peeve of mine. my other pet peeve is people with pet peeves (not really, but a buddy of mine used to say that all the time).
    John DeBorde

    Composer of Music for Film, TV and Interactive Media

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    An accurate translation would be "Thou shall not murder" - not "Thou shall not kill". Murder is the unjustified taking of life. The reasoning is that capital cases, where due process has taken place and established blood guilt, it is justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Wright
    An accurate translation would be "Thou shall not murder" - not "Thou shall not kill". Murder is the unjustified taking of life. The reasoning is that capital cases, where due process has taken place and established blood guilt, it is justified.
    well, that seems like a convenient twisting of the words to suit your purpose, but you seem to be much more knowledgeable about these things than I, so i'll defer to your expertise.

    Too bad God didn't go for clarity, and inspire the translators to choose the word murder instead. it would have made his intentions a lot more clear (since you seem to know so much about them).

    thanks for sharing!
    John DeBorde

    Composer of Music for Film, TV and Interactive Media

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    He did choose the word murder. It's too bad some lazy translators translated it wrong and now everybody goes around quoting the wrong translation. It's not a twisting of words. Most translations have "murder" instead of "kill". Don't believe me? Go look it up yourself at www.biblegateway.com.

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    Re: bush to seek ban on assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Wright
    He did choose the word murder. It's too bad some lazy translators translated it wrong and now everybody goes around quoting the wrong translation. It's not a twisting of words. Most translations have "murder" instead of "kill". Don't believe me? Go look it up yourself at www.biblegateway.com.
    ok-thanks for the biblical schooling Brady. i did not know that.

    i still stand by my assertion that it creeps me out that the government thinks it's ok to kill people (and that rather clever bumper sticker i quoted earlier).

    have a nice day,
    j
    John DeBorde

    Composer of Music for Film, TV and Interactive Media

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