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Topic: Desperate measures!

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    Senior Member Styxx's Avatar
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    Question Desperate measures!

    OK, reading all the excitement on the new updates has left me feeling quite desperate in getting my system to work with GPO again. Here is what I am contemplating and would like to know if you feel I have a chance.

    I would like to uninstall everything and reinstall it tonight. That means, GPO, full Kontakt, Cubases Se and some. Do you think it would be wise to start again or would I just open another can of worms?

    Input please.

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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Hey Styxx,

    My theory is that if you can do it, do it. Have you already done a clean format of your hard drive? If not, and you are going to go through all of that, I would suggest backing up your system, wiping it clean, and start completely from scratch.

    That would be my suggestion. Let me know if I can help in any way.

    Styxx - "Jonny, I need a computer!"
    Jonny - "Here Styxx, buddy ol' pal, take mine!"

    Two weeks later:

    Jonny - "Hey Styxx, can I use your computer?"
    Styxx - "Spread out! It's mine! (As he hordes over it like a dog with a bone!"


    For more information, check out www.jonathoncox.com/intro.html

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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Hi Michael, I think that you ought to open up the new can of worms!

    Aren't I awful.....joking like this when you're desperate to get your PC working again!

    Seriously it would probably pay you to start fresh. Some of the experts in the magazines reckon that you should do this yearly anyway....just to get rid of the rubbish. The clever thing to do then is to take an image of your system using Norton Ghost or Powerquest Image or similar....then you can always get back to your nice fresh install without too much hassle....that's the the ory anyway.


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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Sorry I never responded, I feel like a horse's bum. I would recommend doing a clean install if you are having issues. There's no guaranteeing that this will fix it, but most hairy inexplicable problems can be fixed this way. If you need help with anything, you've got my phone #.

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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Quote Originally Posted by Styxx
    OK, reading all the excitement on the new updates has left me feeling quite desperate in getting my system to work with GPO again. Here is what I am contemplating and would like to know if you feel I have a chance.

    I would like to uninstall everything and reinstall it tonight. That means, GPO, full Kontakt, Cubases Se and some. Do you think it would be wise to start again or would I just open another can of worms?

    Input please.
    Uninstall / reinstall is a pretty common solution for stuff like this. However, you don't really need to reformat your hard drive. The actual meat of the matter is your Windows installation. If you reinstall windows clean (meaning install to a new directory, don't "upgrade" your current Windows install), and then reinstall all of your apps, your system will probably settle down immensely. Once that's done (and you're sure you have no personal data you haven't recoverd from under the old \Windows installation directory), you can smoke the old Windows directory to reclaim disk space.

    Bear in mind that if you reinstall windows clean, you'll need to reinstall every bit of software that you use. Even though they still reside on the hard drive, the new install of Windows won't know anything about them. However, if you install your programs to the same directory they used to be in, you might save at least a little time reconfiguring them all.

    One other thing. As you reinstall each new program (after reinstalling Windows, of course), go back and quickly test the ones you've already installed. If at any point one of them freaks, then the last program you installed is a Problem Child, which is worth knowing.

    Does all of this sound like a major PITA? It is. However, sometimes it truly is the best way to settle down a misbehaving system.
    Christopher Duncan
    Author of
    Unite the Tribes and The Career Programmer

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    Senior Member BlueMax's Avatar
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    Re: Desperate measures!

    I thought "desperate measures" were the 16-bar stretch full of 32nd notes...

    "AAAAUUUUGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!" -- Charlie Brown

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    Re: Desperate measures!

    I'd have to agree with most everyone else here. I'd try reinstalling windows, either reformatting first or trying Christopher Duncan's way. Either way, a clean reinstallation of windows usually solves most, if not all, of the non-hardware problems I've seen with computers.

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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Just to throw my 2 cents in:

    I wipe my OS/Application drive (C:\) about every 3-4 months and install ALL my stuff fresh. I recently bought Norton Ghost 2004 (after having used Ghost at work since it was practically beta) and I will probably do one more "perfect" install and then ghost the drive. It not only works "in theory", it works for real. Ghost is a wonderful product and can save you TONS of time. And now that my computer room has 5 computers (counting the laptop), I really need to ghost everyone's machine and store the images somehwere safe.

    The irony is that I purchased Ghost because I kept having friends drop off their computers for me to "fix" and 2 weeks later, they'd be all messed up again (teenagers, adware, viruses, you name it). Now their computers leave my house with a perfect install, AdAware installed and updated, Antivirus software installed and updated, and a bootable CD (I have a copy, they have a copy) of their "image" ready to be applied again.


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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Styx, and thanks for the welcome it makes the forum a more friendly place.
    If your going to set up your PC for music its highly recommended that you give XP some major tweaks - the reason for this is that windows itself can go and pinch processor time from your Cubase at critical moments and this can effect performance. Basically you cut out all the unecesary or frilly bits of XP
    Steinberg have a document on this and I am putting it in this post because I have forgotten the URL!
    Hope it helps

    Windows XP DAW Optimization Guide

    Well Folks... It's that time again... A new OS... a New Tweak Guide.

    This one is going to be pretty in-depth and requires some Registry Editing and other fun stuff of the sort!

    This is what I do. Install OS, Install all hardware drivers, Tweak OS and then install software.
    So..here we go

    First thing is the installation.
    Let XP install as ACPI.
    This has been proven to be easier and smoother. Let Windows do its thing.
    Hit F8 saying you agree (legal stuff ya know!)
    Now, if this is an existing OS of say Win2k or a previous install of XP you will see options for:
    Esc=Don't Repair; R=Repair F3 to Quit
    Well, we're doing a fresh install so we want to hit
    Esc for Don't Repair
    Now, you'll see your drives and partitions here..
    If you have Two "physical" drives it will show you these drives as C and D
    Highlight C Drive
    If you had an existing Install from any other OS press
    D for Delete Partition.
    Press Enter to Continue
    Press L for Delete
    Now, we're back at the drive selection screen again and this time we see Unpartioned space.
    Highlight the drive you want to install XP onto
    Press Enter to Install
    Now we have to decide what File System do we use...NTFS or FAT32. Here's the lowdown.. I'm going to steal someone else's words here...

    Daniel Keller from Tascam wrote this little blurb about NTFS Vs FAT32. I find this stuff very intriguing and indeed do agree!


    Tascam's Win2k/XP Document
    FAT32 vs. NTFS
    You have the option under W2k and XP to choose the file system that best suits your needs, FAT or NTFS. FAT (File Allocation Table) is
    the native file system based on the Windows 9x kernel (including 95, 95a, 95b, 95c, 98, 98se and ME). NTFS (New Technology File System) is the native file system for operating systems based on the Windows NT kernel (including NT4, 2000 and XP). During the installation, Win2K or XP will ask if you want to convert the installation partition to NTFS. If you need compatibility for Windows 98 - especially if you want to dual-boot - don't convert.

    While NTFS offers a number of improvements over FAT32, most of these advantages are not all that applicable to audio, and you are unlikely to see a major performance difference between the two. Moreover, defragmenting your drives (something you should do on a regular basis anyway) is substantially quicker in FAT32. Be aware that Windows 9x cannot read data on NTFS-formatted drives. Generally speaking, you should use FAT32 if you are doing a parallel installation with Windows 9x/ME, or if you will need to work with files created with a FAT32 system (opening old song files, working with others using FAT32-based systems, etc.) leave everything with FAT32.

    One exception would be if you'll be working with video or other large files in excess of 4GB; or if you also use your PC to browse the internet or the computer is part of a LAN running XP Professional. Only NTFS can limit access rights to your files and therefore provide the security needed for a networked computer. In this case, select NTFS for all partitions except those which are to accommodate your audio data later.

    One other interesting point: NTFS can read the "resource fork" of SDII files from MacOS, and can therefore recognize the timecode stamps used in these files; FAT(32) can't do this. If you do a lot of work with ProTools or other MacOS-based DAW applications, you should consider at least one NTFS partition in your system. (Note that this does not imply that your NTFS-based system can mount/read from a MacOS drive; simply that individual SDII files imported to an NTFS drive will retain their time-stamp information.)

    End Tascam excerpt


    Most DAW users tend to go with NTFS file systems for the OS drives due to more stability and more security plus larger disk support.
    FAT32 for the data drives. I've done both and don't see a performance difference either way.
    Windows will begin it's file copying, Once it's done it will restart your machine. It's a good idea from here to enter into the BIOS to stop
    the CD-ROM from being the first boot device.

    Set the Hard Drive as the main boot. Also locate the Parellel Port mode in the BIOS and set it to EPP(Enhanced Parellel Port) This option is for those using copy protection devices for Cubase, Nuendo or Logic only! When you disable the Portable Serial Number service and have the Parellel Port set to ECP the copy protection key or "dongle" will not be found. Switching this to EPP fixes that issue.
    Exit out and restart to begin the XP installation
    Enter your Name and Organization (If applicable: you can leave it blank)
    Enter your Windows Key
    Name your computer!
    Hit Next
    Continue Installation
    If you have a NIC card it will ask you what type of Installation do you want to choose: Typical or Custom
    Do Typical for faster install

    Ok. so now we have a fresh install of Windows XP.

    When XP starts up every time you get that annoying Take the XP Tour pop up..click on it to open the tour..once in the tour simply exit
    out and it wont open up anymore. Also Messenger starts up at the windows load up but we can get rid of that in no time at all..
    Start Menu>Run
    Type this in exactly as it is here:
    RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove
    Hit Enter...you will see a DOS-like shell appear and disappear very quickly and then it will ask you to restart.

    Or if you just want to stop it from loading:
    Double click on the Messenger icon in the system tray to open it.
    Skip through the internet and sign up stuff, just cancel it.
    When Messenger loads go to tools and Options then Preferences and uncheck 'Run this program when Windows starts'

    Now...get rid of that Fisher Price look and go back to the Classic Windows interface. It's better for system performance when using as little colors
    or graphics as possible:

    Right-click on your desktop, and then click Properties.
    Click on Themes tab
    Set Themes to Windows Classic

    Click on the Screen Saver tab
    Set Screensaver to None
    Press the Power button near the bottom

    Power Schemes: you can have the monitor turn off but set Turn Hard Drives off to NEVER

    Hibernate..If this is Enabled uncheck it. This is mainly for Laptops but uses a very large chunk of data.(I've seen this not show up on the first boot of XP..when you restart it will be there but it's disabled)

    APM..Enabling this will allow your computer to shut down properly when in Standard PC mode
    Hit OK
    Click the Appearance tab.
    On the Windows and Buttons menu, select Windows Classic
    Press Effect button
    Deselect all options.
    Hit OK
    Click the Settings tab
    Set your bit depth to 16Bit. This is optimal for Audio machines due to less colors for video drawback which in turn gives you better audio

    Also do this for the Start Menu:

    Right-click the Start button, and then click Properties.
    Click Classic Start menu.
    Click the Customize button to select items to display on the Start menu.
    By default, selecting the Classic Start menu also adds the My Documents, My Computer, My Network Places, and Internet Explorer icons
    to your desktop.

    Right Click My Computer and select Properties:
    System Restore tab:
    Check the Turn System Restore on all drives.
    Automatic Updates tab:
    Turn Off Automatic Updates.
    Remote tab:
    Uncheck all options to turn off Remote Assistance.
    Advanced tab:
    Press Settings tab under Performance
    Visual Affects tab:
    set to Adjust for Best Performance.
    Advanced tab:
    Processor Scheduling:
    Set this for Background Services
    Memory Usage:
    Set this for System Cache(**See Note Below**)
    Virtual Memory:
    Press Change...
    Depending on how much RAM you actually have is what
    you are going to enter here
    If you have 256MB RAM set this to 512 for Min and Max
    If you have 512MB RAM or higher set this to 384 for Min and Max

    Restart your machine at this point in time...
    When you come back the first thing you should do is defrag the main drive even if it doesn't say it needs it. This way the swap file has been truly
    set and you're ready to continue.

    *Using the System Cache setting with a Universal Audio Card is not recommended as it will effect overall performance with the card.******

    Now is the time to Install your hardware drivers if you haven't done it already. It makes no difference what order you install the drivers in.

    Turn off CD AutoPlay
    Go to Start->Run->gpedit.msc
    Computer Config -> Administrative Template -> System
    Double click Turn off AutoPlay
    Enable it.

    Control Panel>Double click Sounds and Audio Devices...Go to the Audio tab
    Set the Playback and the Recording settings to either
    Your built in soundcard or a SoundBlaster(If Applicable)
    Check Only Use default devices down below
    Go to the Sounds tab
    Under Sound Scheme choose No Sounds
    Press No to saving the previous Scheme
    Hit Apply

    Now we get to play with the services!

    A little word about using the registry. The left hand side is your hierarchy of Windows. Those are the "keys" so to speak. On the right hand
    side are the "values" for those keys. Now, typically in a registry we have a few types of values We have the String, Binary and a DWORD.
    To create a new value simply right click in the "values" window and it will come up with NEW and you will see your three options for values. Typically
    all the values in this tweak are DWORD values and I think one Binary. Each one is labeled as to what value it is. Also each value you create has
    numbers and hexadecimal settings. Again, each tweak here has the appropriate information on what and when to enter them.

    Start Menu, Run...type in regedit and hit OK...
    Hit the Drop menu for Registry and select Export Registry..
    save this to another drive for safe keeping's.

    Now, let's stop that annoying balloon from popping up from our system tray
    This is a Registry Tweak we have to do..

    Start menu>Run...type in regedit
    Hkey_Current_User\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre nt Version
    If enableballoontips is there set the value to 0
    If it doesn't enter it in as a new DWORD and put the value to 0

    What we want to do is turn off certain "services" that are running in the background that we don't need while recording or playing out Audio Software.

    Control Panel>Administrative Tools:
    Double Click on Services
    Here is a list of what I have disabled. Keep in mind my machine doesn't touch the internet or a network in any way. If you have an NIC or modem of any sort, I specified which ones and what settings with I=Internet and A=Automatic

    Alerter Disabled
    Application Layer Gateway Service Disabled
    Application Management AppMgmt Manual
    Automatic Updates Disabled
    Background Intelligent Transfer Service Disabled
    ClipBook Disabled
    COM+ Event System EventSystem Disabled
    COM+ System Application Disabled
    Computer Browser Disabled
    Cryptographic Services Disabled
    DHCP Client Disabled (IA)
    Distributed Link Tracking Client Disabled
    Distributed Transaction Coordinator Disabled
    DNS Client Disabled (IA)
    Error Reporting Service Disabled
    Event Log Automatic
    Fast User Switching Compatibility Disabled
    Fax Service Disabled
    Help and Support Disabled
    Human Interface Device Access Disabled
    IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service Manual
    Indexing Service Disabled
    Internet Connection Sharing Disabled
    IPSEC Services PolicyAgent Disabled
    Logical Disk Manager Manual
    Logical Disk Manager Administrative Service Manual
    Messenger Disabled
    MS Software Shadow Copy Provider Disabled
    Net Login Disabled
    NetMeeting Remote Desktop Sharing Disabled
    Network Connections Manual
    Network DDE Disabled
    Network DDE DSDM Disabled
    Network Location Awareness (NLA) Disabled
    NT LM Security Support Provider Disabled
    Performance Logs and Alerts Disabled
    Plug and Play PlugPlay Automatic
    Portable Media Serial Number Disabled
    Print Spooler Disabled
    Protected Storage Disabled
    QoS RSVP Disabled
    Remote Access Auto Connection Manager Disabled
    Remote Access Connection Manager Disabled
    Remote Desktop Help Session Manager Disabled
    Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Automatic
    Remote Procedure Call (RPC) Locator Manual
    Remote Registry Service Disabled
    Removable Storage Disabled
    Routing and Remote Access Disabled
    Secondary Logon s Disabled
    Security Accounts Manager Disabled
    Server Disabled
    Shell Hardware Detection Disabled
    Smart Card Disabled
    Smart Card Helper Disabled
    SSDP Discovery Service Disabled
    System Event Notification Disabled
    System Restore Service Disabled
    Task Scheduler Schedule Disabled
    TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Service Disabled (IA)
    Telephony Disabled
    Telnet Disabled
    Terminal Services Disabled
    Themes Disabled
    Uninterruptible Power Supply Disabled
    Universal Plug and Play Device Host Disabled
    Upload Manager Disabled
    Volume Shadow Copy Disabled
    WebClient Disabled
    Windows Audio Automatic
    Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) Disabled
    Windows Installer Manual
    Windows Management Instrumentation Automatic
    Windows Management Instrumentation Driver Manual
    Windows Time Disabled
    Wireless Zero Configuration Disabled
    WMI Performance Adapter Disabled
    Workstation Automatic

    Once you have set all of these close out of the services and restart

    Do this for all NTFS drives:
    Open My Computer>Right Click on Crive and select Properties.
    Deselect Allow Indexing Servicing....Hit Apply
    Select Apply Changes to C:\ subfolders and files
    You might get a message that says Access Denied...press Ignore All

    Now, click on the Hardware tab.
    Double click on your Main drive
    Click on the Policies tab.
    Uncheck Write Caching.
    This will help your main drive read faster. Only do this for the main drive!

    By default, Windows 2000/XP log the I/O traffic of your hard drive. While this is a very useful setting for servers, for workstations it
    doesn't do anything except use up system resources.
    To disable it, go to the run menu and type
    diskperf -n
    Hit Enter to disable this logging.

    Disable Error Reporting
    Right Click on My Computer
    Press the Advanced Tab
    Press the Error Reporting Button
    Choose Disable Error Reporting

    OK...the true fun part of Windows systems...Regedit!
    Here we will be doing some pretty snazzy stuff that I found very cool!
    ****Again...it may be a good idea to make a back up of the registry *****

    Intel Chipsets need to have UDMA 66 enabled for Win2k and XP.
    This also enables UDMA100
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\
    You will need to add this value in
    Right click and select New..DWORD
    Type EnableUDMA66 and hit Enter..and Double click it and put the value to 1
    It should the look like this:
    Again, this is really only for Intel chipsets.

    Remove the Shared Documents folders from My Computer:
    Windows XP user interface provides links to all of the Shared Documents folders on your system, right at the top of the My Computer window.
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\
    Delete this Key

    NTFS Disk Performance
    The NTFS file system is the recommended file system because of its advantages in terms of reliability and security and because it is required for large drive sizes. However, these advantages come with some overhead. You can modify some functionality to improve NTFS performance as follows:

    Disable creation of short names. By default, NTFS generates the style of file name for compatibility with MS-DOS and Windows 3.x clients. If
    you are not supporting these types of clients, you can turn off this setting by changing the default
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Filesystem
    NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation set value to 1
    Disable last access update. By default NTFS updates the date and time stamp of the last access on directories this update process can slow
    performance. To disable:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentContolSet\Control \Filesystem
    You will need to enter this as a new Dword:
    NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate set value to 1
    Reserve space for the master file table.
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\FileSystem.
    You will need to enter this as a new Dword
    NtfsMftZoneReservation set to 1
    Reboot after making changes.

    Speed up the Start Menu in Windows XP.
    MenuShowDelay file set to 1
    Click OK.
    A restart is needed to see the results

    Improve overall system performance by increasing the IRQ priority of the CMOS real-time clock.
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\PriorityControl
    You will need to enter this as a new Dword:
    "IRQ8Priority" set to 1

    Windows Explorer caches DLLs(Dynamic-Link Libraries)in memory for a period of time after the application using them has been closed. This can be an inefficient use of memory.
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer
    Create a new DWORD sub-key named
    "AlwaysUnloadDLL" set to 1
    Restart Windows for the change to take effect.

    Speed up CD Copying to Hard Drives
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\FileSystem
    You will need to create a Key here. Right Click on the FileSystem folder and select New>Key
    Name it CDFS
    CacheSize, this must be added as a binary value, then type in this value:
    ff ff 00 00(it doesn't matter about capitals or lower case)
    Prefetch, this must be added as a DWORD value, then type in this value:
    4000 hex
    PrefetchTail, this must be added as a DWORD value, then type in this value:
    4000 hex

    To Disable Dr. Watson
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\WindowsNT\Cu rrentVersion\AeDebug
    Delete the AeDebug key

    Ok...so far this is pretty tweaked out but now I've found some other tweaks that will make a non-internet machine even better with less programs!

    Uninstall unwanted components

    Locate sysoc.inf (windows\inf\sysoc.inf) on the main drive and make a backup of it Open the Sysoc.inf file. Each line of text in the file represents a component that can be displayed in the Add/Remove Windows Components dialog. Delete the word HIDE for any component that you want to see in the dialog (do not erase the commas). Save the Sysoc.inf file, then close it, and reboot your computer.

    The Add/Remove Windows Components dialog will now display the items you want to remove.I have removed everything but the WMI, COM+ and
    Distributed Transaction Coordinator!

    Install Software!!!

    Some notes...

    In Windows XP you need to go into the Disk Manager in order to format, Repartition or make any changes necessary to any drive. This is found
    in the Computer Management tools within the Administrative Tools found in the Control Panel. When you want to make a secondary drive active you must make it an Extended Partition and not a Primary Partition. The reason being is that on occassion Windows XP will look at it as an OS drive and may corrupt it making only 8MB available and the rest unallocated! This can be fatal to all your data on the drive!! So once you create the partition as Extended you will then need to make it a Logical Drive and then you can choose NTFS as your format of choice.

    Level 2 (L2) CPU cache size can be sized this way, ONLY IF using earlier CPUs: Intel (and compatibles) 386, 486, Pentium, Pentium Pro, AMD K5/K6/K7, Cyrix, etc, with off-chip L2 cache SRAM memory (external, off the CPU die).

    If using newer CPUs: Intel Pentium II/III/IV/Celeron/Xeon,AMD Athlon/Duron/Thunderbird, etc, with on-chip L2 cache SRAM memory (internal, on the CPU die), L2 cache size can *NOT* be altered!

    I found that when doing these tweaks:
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Se ssion Manager\Memory Management]
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Se ssion Manager\Memory Management]

    Would cause the system to hang on restart and shutdown. Resetting all the values to 0 solved that

    As far as USB Audio is concerned.

    After reading all about the stuttering audio and BSOD's with XP and USB. Audio devices I got myself prepared with the Microsoft Patch for this fix. I found that I did not need this patch as audio through the Tascam US428 was flawless. I looped a 5 minute 24bit 16 track song for close to 30 minutes and switched songs to a heavier data count and looped that for 20 minutes. I recorded several tracks through the SPDIF in for 24bit recording and did multiple punch ins and takes without a single problem. As far as why my system is fine... who knows. There are too many configurations to truly explain this. Try these tweaks and if the problem goes away..cool! If not..can't say you didn't try!

    There are some other tweaks that can be done as well such as:
    Removing Outlook Express, Stopping the Messages during shutdown, Stopping the WinXP Splash Screen on load up, Decrease SystemPages and a few more that I haven't tested yet. You can do a search for these tweaks by using www.google.com and typing in XP tweaks! Websites I found to be very useful were:

    ... and of course microsoft.com
    Gary Brenner
    Opus Audio Projects
    Moderator for:
    Built for Musicians BY Musicians!

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    Re: Desperate measures!

    Oh and remember you can cherry pick and leave the registry stuff if its scary

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