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    Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    I'm being rather brave having now two posts regarding GS3 features and sequencers - but here goes nothing.

    How might a simpleton (who uses Finale as sequencer) like me activate keyswitches via the sequencer? Must I enter a REALLY low note - depending on where the keyswitch is on the keyboard - in the stave to activate the desired keyswitch (on an invisible layer for the sequencer)?

    If one must simply add an invisible note- must it be entered before the next notes, or can it be entered to play with the first note?

    I do appreciate any help with this.

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    Yes, you need to enter the really low note -- and it looks very strange on a treble clef! I put it just before the proper note, with duration 1 (minimum) and velocity 1 (minimum). In my sequencer, sonar, it's much more convenient to enter such things in an event window, not on the score itself. Could you use a Finale 'expression' to handle this? Also, of course, if it is an instrument you use a lot you could use the gigastudio editor to reprogram with a different switching method. Save your work as a new gig file, naturally!

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    Thanks for the help, again, gugliel.
    While there is no expession made specifically for keyswitches (that I know of), I suppose I could use the transpose expression on the invisible note so it is not so odd in treble clef.

    To your other suggestion regarding the editing of the instrument- I'm curious to what other keyswitching options there are, unless you mean simply to move the switch notes to a more convenient location on the keyboard.

    You say that you place the switch at least one beat before the desired change, however I wonder how this would work in a continuous passage of playing where, for instance, two adjacent notes need a different effect activated by the switch. How do you work around this problem?

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    Lately, I've been using keyswitches more and more - they are convenient, save midi channels -- allows you to keep parts on one track - but, can be a pain in the ~~~.

    My main complaint now is for instance, bars 1-12 i use Keyswitch 1 -- bars 13-15 i use Keyswitch 3. So im working on bar 14 and want to go back to bar 7 and listen. It of course is playing the patch triggered for Keyswitch 3 -- so to hear that passage played right i would need to go back to measure 1 and re-trigger the correct keyswitch.

    I wish there was a way around this -- midi chase in Logic doesnt seem to work :-/

    Anyone else?

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    In Sibelius the best method is to send a "note off" midi message. In Sib you select the first note to be affected, type "Ctrl-E" and type "~O64,0" The tilde hides the following text the "O" is for note Off, the 64 is the note (middle C is 64) and the "0" is the velocity.

    I'm not sure how MIDI messages are sent from Finale, but I know that it can be done.

    I can't do two or more notes in a chord with different keyswitches. I'd use different staves / different channels.

    I think MIDI searchback usually works for program/bank changes, but not for keyswitching. Usually one doesn't care that the C1 was played ten bars ago, but you do care about the current program. For composing in Sibelius I prefer to use program changes to keyswitches for that reason.

    -JF

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    Quote Originally Posted by SWL

    I wish there was a way around this -- midi chase in Logic doesnt seem to work :-/

    Anyone else?
    It doesn't work in Logic? It does in Nuendo...

    Daryl

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    Quote Originally Posted by SWL
    Lately, I've been using keyswitches more and more - they are convenient, save midi channels -- allows you to keep parts on one track - but, can be a pain in the ~~~.

    My main complaint now is for instance, bars 1-12 i use Keyswitch 1 -- bars 13-15 i use Keyswitch 3. So im working on bar 14 and want to go back to bar 7 and listen. It of course is playing the patch triggered for Keyswitch 3 -- so to hear that passage played right i would need to go back to measure 1 and re-trigger the correct keyswitch.

    I wish there was a way around this -- midi chase in Logic doesnt seem to work :-/

    Anyone else?
    LOL, I have always accepted this as standard operational procedure in midi-sequencing. I (very often) insert keyswitches even for single notes, for instance to avoid machine gun effects. Beside this, I also edit expression curves after playing in notes, to avoid "organ"-like sounds, where all notes tend to have the same, static loudness. Dirty job, but someone's gotta do it...

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    You can also edit the intrument, and change the dimension controler to something else than the keyboard (I use cc16). Then in Finle, you create non-printing staff articulations that insert the desired controller value.

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lickety-Split
    - I'm curious to what other keyswitching options there are, unless you mean simply to move the switch notes to a more convenient location on the keyboard.

    You say that you place the switch at least one beat before the desired change, ?
    Bill answered the first question,you can open up the gigastudio editor and find the options; as the second, i meant BEFORE the note, but not a BEAT before. Just the smallest convenient fraction of a beat. For instance, I've gotten used to putting all musical notes about 10/960ths after the beat (my sequencer is set to divide a quarter note into 960 fractions). Then there are 10 ticks with room for keyswitches, controller settings, patch changes, and tuning. Just a working habit that suits my non-real-time step entry style.

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    Re: Activating Keyswitches via Sequencer

    When I put a Key Aftertouch in the Event list, midi-Ox trap the key and translate to the targeted keyswitch. This way all my keyswitches in the event list are easily identifiable.

    SergeD

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