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    Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    I think this expresses what most of us feel in our guts (and in our ears). It also explains why my nieces mostly listen to music from the 1960s and 1970s.

    https://youtu.be/oVME_l4IwII

    Now it seems that science is on our side.

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    I find this presentation brilliant.

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    Elton John said in 2007 that the internet was destroying music. Mission accomplished.

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    I believe the internet is a double edged sword. On one hand it provides exposure for anyone attempting to create and allows them to find if they are on the right track. On the other hand, it also exposes us to some seriously flawed creative attempts and perhaps presents those flaws as the new norm.

    The true downside is that common opinion is not always the best gauge of quality and brilliance.


    Quote Originally Posted by fastlane View Post
    Elton John said in 2007 that the internet was destroying music. Mission accomplished.

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    I'm 69 years old. Loved rock, pop music from the 50's on. As a teen our band like all the others, did a lot of covers. We had to figure out the chords, riffs, harmonies etc. We practiced a lot.. long jams, chances to explore ideas and techniques..

    No auto-tune, no sequencers, no quantize.. We had to learn chords, scales, modes, etc. The Beatles, Stones, and others of their days, did a LOT of covers from 40's - 60's bands, and they mastered the technics. you learn't from doing other peoples material. Each song gives you another little piece to the puzzle of your own musical creations.

    As technology improved, things changed.. Yes, the internet in one way started to kill off the desire for new kids to work hard and master.. Being a techno junkie a good part of my life, buying the newest keyboards, synths, drum machines.
    I started to realize, some of the songs making it, were rip-offs of kbd demo's written into ROM.

    Rappers, with their 'sampling' really drove a nail into the music coffin.. Now you didn't need to master instruments, kids, guitars, etc. You just told some one else's music, put a rap on it.

    Technology in the 70's with the BeGees, and bands at that time, required three 24 tracks recorders linked together. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were required to put out a quality album.

    Then came Tascam, Fostex 4 track tape decks. So rappers, garage bands etc. got access to make music, not requiring vast sums of $$$ to make. Then all hell broke out with the first DAWS.. Now someone with a few thousand dollars, and good technique, could create music, that would stand, with major labels..

    Rap music branched out into the new R'n'B (nothing like the real R'n'B of the 60's - 70's.. The incredible work coming out of Motown, Stax, and a bunch of other studios, just was sampled, and used.

    Part of the blame lies on society.. When I was a kid, we got music lessons in grammar school.. We played with plastic recorders, learnt a few basics in music. Those who were interested took other music lessons, bought a guitar, electric piano, etc. Schools all over America began withdrawing music, art programs to 'save' money.. However, creating music, art, is good for the soul. This form of self expression, and the joy you get from mastery drives you to keep honing your skills.

    The internet, began to allow anyone to 'publish' their music on Myspace, Facebook, etc. So more and more people were drawn to it.. Technology evened the playing field.. Anyone with patience could create a master piece..
    But also the newest generation had to make 'their own music', just like every generation before..

    So they started ignoring the rules, and forms of music gone before. Just take 4 - 8 bars of a beat, or even lifting music sampled from a 60's - 80's band, Fluff it up with production. Our society demands 'instant gratification'.. Tweets - 8 words long have replaced having a meaningful conversation with someone.. Girls 'twerking' has replaced an intellect.

    Also part of it is a function of our age.. My parents tried to like the music I liked and played.. But it wasn't 30's - 50'a music that they liked. So I find myself, actually getting upset with some of the crap that gets passed off as music now.
    Once in a while there is some music I like..

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    Themes, figures and chord structures have been copied and developed, in many different styles for centuries. But I agree totally with the previous post. It stops being art (or even original) if you add nothing to the work that inspired you.


    https://youtu.be/0HuSx3z0E6g

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    Anecdotal, but interesting (I hope) story.

    A lot of years ago, my father complained that all the music I listened "sounded the same". "It's just the same song with different words!" and "in my day, every song was different!"

    At the time I was listening to a lot of 12-bar (C-Am-Dm-G7) rock from the late 1950's, but I had also grown up listening to a lot of my parent's LPs, including Big Band, Swing, Broadway and even Opera.

    I took his jibe as a challenge. Went into the record collection in the Living Room and pulled out two albums by two different artists. I bet Dad a week's allowance that there was a song on each that he would have trouble telling from the other. Told him they had the same chords in the same order and unless you heard the words clearly they sounded the same. In fact, I added with all my 13 years of bravado coming to the fore, they even sound the same as my records!

    "Nope", he said. So I played them for him.

    And got my extra allowance.

    Blue Moon and Heart and Soul, in case you're curious.

    Did not happen often, but that time it did.
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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ejr View Post
    Themes, figures and chord structures have been copied and developed, in many different styles for centuries. But I agree totally with the previous post. It stops being art (or even original) if you add nothing to the work that inspired you.


    https://youtu.be/0HuSx3z0E6g


    I was blown away by the Ukulele Orchestra.. Brilliant concept, I kinda considered the ukulele a 'whimsical' and non serious instrument..
    But it sounded so incredible in their set-up..

    I went thru the same incident with my parents, they though the 60's music, wasn't really music.. I had learnt Hammond Organ, being taught with fake books from 30's - 60's.. and was familiar and aware of music older than me. As I aged, those old songs sounded better to me. There were some pretty incredible orchestrations, and arrangements in those days.

    More daring in some ways, than later music.

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    The Ukulele Orchestra of G.B. is a recent "find" on youtube. They are very whimsical (and funny). Here's a few more links:

    https://youtu.be/pLgJ7pk0X-s

    https://youtu.be/NlMT-oEIQuo

    https://youtu.be/Fw8ZDwdyHJQ

    https://youtu.be/H18aK9HhNSM

    https://youtu.be/KMnCkg8dJXI

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    Re: Why is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

    Good song structure can stand alone with out fame, hype or studio trickery. Benny Andersson of ABBA fame has released a solo piano album of some of his best composed during and after the band. The Day Before You Came was on ABBA’s last album.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PT0R4kAZRNs

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