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Leftfield42
09-01-2007, 11:05 AM
Can anyone advise where I can get a demo version of Cubase 4? I'm about to purchase either it or Sonar 6, and want to do a comparison before I buy. I've looked on the Steinberg website but couldn't find any link to a demo version there :(

Cheers,

Lefty

Daryl
09-11-2007, 11:05 AM
There isn't one.

D

Leftfield42
09-11-2007, 11:28 AM
Oh. :confused:

Well, that's a fine thing then isn't it? How do Steinberg expect us to know whether their program will work properly on our systems? Grrrrrr :mad:

Now the obvious question: Can anyone provide an unbiased, objective opinion between Cubase 4 and Sonar 6, covering usability & functionality, since I can't do a demo of them myself?

I hear that Sonar is preferred in the US, while Cubase is more popular in Europe. What (from a music composition perspective) might be the reasoning behind this?

Ta

Daryl
09-11-2007, 01:01 PM
It will be very difficult to get unbiased opinions. I would suggest that you go through the features that you use and then people can give you their opinion on how well they are implemented in the program. Of course the biggest plus of Cubase is that it is cross-platform.

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nikolas
09-11-2007, 02:56 PM
Steinberg does not provide one, but I believe Sonar has a demo/trial version.

Why don't you go the other way around? Try Sonar, and if it works, fine, if not, then go to Cubase...

There is no way to get unbiased opinion about things, but I'm a Cubase user, and I'm really used to it. However I've heard many great things about sonar, and I'm sure that it's one of those cases that it's not the software that matters, but the user.

I'm 100% sure that you have a friend with Cubase, or somehow you can get your hands to play with Cubase for a few hours (in another studio maybe), to get the feeling... Then decide.

And if not mistaken (again), both have crossgrade prices, so if you chose and find you need to swith, at least, it will be cheaper...

Leftfield42
09-11-2007, 04:13 PM
I'm a bit of a newbie, so please bear with me, my terminology may be off :o

First off, I think MIDI is more important to me than direct audio editing, but I'd like to have the ability to work with loops, samples, etc, depending on the work I eventually get to (mostly I prefer orchestral style composition, but I want to do other stuff to, particularly in an experimental vein). In that sense, recording audio is probably important, in reasonably high definition (i.e., better than CD - 96/24 or 192/48?), particularly for voice, and acoustic instruments like flute and guitar.

I suppose the single most important MIDI thing to me is sys-ex message editing and sending. Without that the ability to do some really detailed and also experimental stuff would be impossible (or nearly impossible?).

Beyond that, I think the ability to set up and work with the individual music instruments would be important - the ability to easily see and change from one patch to another, preferably with the ability to save patch combinations as 'schemas' or such like. I'm not at all bothered with notation, if I want that I'll use Sibelius or such like.

Ease of use with GS3 would be useful too.

Ta

kwgm
09-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Both programs have features to do all of that and more (although, I have no idea what GS3 is? Giga 3, maybe?)

By the way, 96/24-bit audio is heavenly and has all the headroom you'll ever need. Sampling at 192 is simply a waste of disk space. (Can canines hear tones above 50KHz? At 50+ years old, I can barely make out 15KHz.)

The advice you received about running the Sonar demo is good advice. Try it, if you don't like it, get Cubase.

The one thing I like about Sonar over Cubase is this: no dongle--I hate the things. Just my opinion, of course.

Jump in--the water's fine.

Peaces
09-15-2007, 05:02 PM
I am in the same boat trying to move to a new sequencer. I am finally walking away from my trusted Logic v5 and unwilling to change to a mac.

As to asking what sequencer to buy I would add to the question as to Sonar/Cubase/PT, how do they compare in interacting with the different sample libraries available today. Which one seems to work the easiest with the most libraries?

nikolas
09-15-2007, 05:14 PM
Sorry, unless I misunderstand:

If you're leaving Logic 5 behind, and moving TO a Mac, why not get Logic 8, which just came out? Or maybe Logic pro 7?

Sonar is PC only, last time I checked (but not sure really, as I don't follow Sonar development THAT closely).

All sequencers really will work fine with most libraries. That said EW new PLAY player has problems with RTAS, so... no Pro tools there (yet). Other than that I'm under the impression that, especially Sonar vs Cubase is not especially valid and that they are rather close. Pro tools is still not 100% perfect for midi, as far as I know (but again I follow very little on PT as well, so it's what I hear).

But in all honesty, go for Logic. It just seems... logical (excuse the pun)

Peaces
09-15-2007, 05:30 PM
Thanks Nikolas,

Yes, you misunderstood... I said that I was "unwilling" to move to a mac... I will stay with the PC. I do appreciate your thoughts though.

nikolas
09-15-2007, 05:44 PM
aha...

Sorry 'bout that.

Anyways, as I said earlier, Sonar has a trial version : http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/kb20061101.asp

Download it and try it. You get 30 days to play with it. Even though it's lacking some features, it should be more than enough to give you an idea on how midi works on it.

Daryl
09-15-2007, 05:53 PM
Thanks Nikolas,

Yes, you misunderstood... I said that I was "unwilling" to move to a mac... I will stay with the PC. I do appreciate your thoughts though.
That's one of the big advantages of Cubase. It is cross-platform, so you could change your mind and not have to change sequencer..

D

Peaces
09-15-2007, 06:02 PM
Thanks Guys... I was headed to Cubase... just needed the gentle kick to move me on.

Leftfield42
09-28-2007, 02:57 AM
I see Sonar 7 is now out. Does it have any particular improvements over Sonar 6?

Leftfield42
09-30-2007, 02:37 AM
OK, I've taken the plunge, and opted for Sonar 7 PE. This is mainly down to dubious choices:

Choice 1: It has new midi tools that will be useful...

Choice 2: I could get it for 225 GBP at the moment with an online store deal where Sonar 6 PE is 99 GBP and the upgrade to 7 PE is 119 GBP (plus 6 GBP delivery). This way, if I had to get a version of Cubase at a later date, then I wouldn't have lost quite as much money (current normal price for Sonar 7 PE is 350 GBP at the same store... go figure)

Choice 3: I figured that since I haven't been in the midi program world for a number of years, and even then never used Cubase or Cakewalk, I would have to learn either of the systems from scratch. Combined with the fact that there is no demo version of Cubase so I couldn't properly compare the interfaces, I came to this choice by screwy personal logic alone: 'Sonar is more popular in the US, and Cubase more popular in Europe'. 'The US is more commerical, Europe is more artistic'. 'I have a preference for the more commercial side of entertainment, rather than the artistic'. Therefore (and this is the really screwy bit ;) ) Sonar might have an interface more suited to commercial users, while Cubase might have an interface more suited to artistic users. How screwy is that ~| ?

The really silly thing is that what I really want is an interface suited to a musician, not a computer techy, but I kind of gather that doesn't really exist...

OK, now to get on with music production (hopefully)...*()

angelic
09-30-2007, 08:23 AM
Sonar 7 is a heck of an upgrade. I use Cubase 4 and I am thinking of switching just for the new feature set (and being dongle-free never hurts, either).