PDA

View Full Version : assignment #1



n3wman918
02-19-2007, 03:41 PM
Hello, I attempted the first assignment and I want to know what you all think.


http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/n3wman918/theorytest1.mp3

Garritan
02-19-2007, 04:41 PM
n3wman918

Thanks for being the first one and breaking the ice. You did an excellent job of recreating the piano with the strings.

If others have examples please feel free to post them.

Gary Garritan

Garritan
02-19-2007, 07:07 PM
David M sent in his assignment #1

He has also offered to provide the Finale file if that will help others.

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/principles/Belkin/dm-assignment1.mp3


Thanks David

Gary Garritan

pianodoc
02-20-2007, 08:51 AM
Gary:

Thanks for hosting my mp3 file of the first assignment. I look forward to participating in the course.

David Mauney

nova.music
02-20-2007, 10:44 AM
My critic of n3wman918's 1st assignment....I'm doing this because I believe this is how this site is suppose to work. If I'm out of line please tell me.

Personally, I love the way its sounds. Exellent harmony choices. It really is a great interpretation. Perhaps though, the composer's original concept might be lost a little , as I don't hear the moving lines that start in the bass. Perhaps pizz strings, or harp or combination of the two could be added. That moving line could start with the celli and finish with the violas. Other than that, I really like it. To me it is way better than the original piano/oboe score.

I'm not sure how you post assiginments? Just attach an MP3 by clicking on the red botton (files upload)?

Thanks Everyone










n3wman918

n3wman918
02-20-2007, 12:08 PM
I agree with what you're saying, without the moving chords in the base it lost the original idea of what the composer was getting at(I think). I may have changed the mood too much;)

DPDAN
02-20-2007, 01:13 PM
are we supposed to replace the piano with just strings?

Thanks
Dan

nova.music
02-20-2007, 04:57 PM
I've listened to 3 versions of the assiginment. Everyone seems to be able to orchestrate nice string pads. David M. had a high note in the 2 or 3rd measure that sounded like a mistake. Maybe would have worked if the note faded in and out better, but probably does not work because it interferes with the Oboe's range. Perhaps an approach without "pads", but with moving string lines would be the more difficult, but better outcome. Although all 3 versions sound pretty darn good.

Downgrade
02-20-2007, 05:34 PM
I've listened to 3 versions of the assiginment. Everyone seems to be able to orchestrate nice string pads. David M. had a high note in the 2 or 3rd measure that sounded like a mistake. Maybe would have worked if the note faded in and out better, but probably does not work because it interferes with the Oboe's range. Perhaps an approach without "pads", but with moving string lines would be the more difficult, but better outcome. Although all 3 versions sound pretty darn good.

you're right, however in my score there are some moving strings (simulating the arpeggios with pedal), but they go only from the cello to the viola, maybe there's no way to go higher, so the violins have to do an harmony (in this case with the bass) ... any suggestions?:)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3343/immaginemh5.jpg

Downgrade
02-20-2007, 05:46 PM
here's a pizzicato version :D

http://downgrade89.altervista.org/assignpizz_128.mp3

nova.music
02-20-2007, 09:37 PM
Downgrade,

I think you are on to something, the pizz version is very good. You have some strings moving and some playing pads. The pizz at the end seem a little strident, perhaps drop that line an octave, or perhaps that is what is desired. Just to play Devil's advocate perhaps changing things up after a couple of measures. Switch the celli/violas from pizz to spiccatto. Are we allowed to add woodwinds? throw a very quite bass clarinet/clarinet to match the celli/violas line for more color. I think a really pro-orchestration might find away to change the texture of the sound at somepoint. Perhaps I am wrong. Anyway sounds better to me.

DPDAN
02-20-2007, 11:44 PM
strings only

DPDAN
02-20-2007, 11:47 PM
I posted mine in a different topic, sorry.
Everyone, please feel free to make any comments you want. I have no formal training and I don't read music, and therefore I do everything by ear.
I most likely won't learn anything because of terminology used. Perhaps my version will help in some way. The oboe melody is very very strange to me.


yikes, I just listened again after hours away from it and the middle stinks, oh well. In my head, at the end I hear.. "and now a word from our sponsor"
Dan

https://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/DPDAN/Dan%20Kury.mp3 (https://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/DPDAN/Dan%20Kury.mp3)

Stephanie Pray
02-21-2007, 01:32 AM
Ok, here's mine. I stayed true to what was written. (I think) I wasn't sure if we were to arrange this or just to orchestrate it (at least how I understand the meanings...) I feel like Dan, there's something weird about this piece...

Thanks David (pianodoc) for the midi file, it helped a lot :)

Garritan
02-21-2007, 01:56 AM
Here is Tony H's assignment:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/principles/Belkin/th-orchproblems.mp3

Good work and thanks Tony for sending this in.

Gary Garritan

Garritan
02-21-2007, 01:59 AM
Ok, here's mine. I stayed true to what was written. (I think) I wasn't sure if we were to arrange this or just to orchestrate it (at least how I understand the meanings...) I feel like Dan, there's something weird about this piece...

Thanks David (pianodoc) for the midi file, it helped a lot :)Steph,

Nice work :) . There is something strange about this piece. ;)

Gary

Stephanie Pray
02-21-2007, 02:13 AM
Steph,

Nice work :) . There is something strange about this piece. ;)

Gary

Thanks Mr. G :)

Downgrade
02-21-2007, 06:44 AM
Downgrade,

I think you are on to something, the pizz version is very good. You have some strings moving and some playing pads. The pizz at the end seem a little strident, perhaps drop that line an octave, or perhaps that is what is desired. Just to play Devil's advocate perhaps changing things up after a couple of measures. Switch the celli/violas from pizz to spiccatto. Are we allowed to add woodwinds? throw a very quite bass clarinet/clarinet to match the celli/violas line for more color. I think a really pro-orchestration might find away to change the texture of the sound at somepoint. Perhaps I am wrong. Anyway sounds better to me.

i don't think there's the spiccato ks in finale gpo...:(

thank for the appreciation, the final note, yes it's strident, but i liked it (it's too stylish :D ) so I didn't change it...

belkina
02-21-2007, 06:53 AM
The idea is to orchestrate it, not change the harmony or anything else in the essential music.

The problem you are trying to solve here is to get all the elements of the piano version transferred to the orchestra in a convincing way.


Ok, here's mine. I stayed true to what was written. (I think) I wasn't sure if we were to arrange this or just to orchestrate it (at least how I understand the meanings...) I feel like Dan, there's something weird about this piece...

Thanks David (pianodoc) for the midi file, it helped a lot :)

pianodoc
02-21-2007, 11:34 AM
I must say that at first I was aware of the unusual/novel melodic and harmonic aspects of the theme and wasn't sure how I felt about them. I can say now that I have come to like the theme and may try some other ways of transcribing the piano part.

My first try however contains most of the elements looked for in that it does not stray from the original structure, icludes the triplet rhythms and to agreat extent has some interest in the individual parts (though these do not show up very well in the rendered version from Finale.

belkina
02-21-2007, 04:17 PM
As the other solutions in the coming few lessons go up, they will give you clearer ideas about what works and what does not. The idea is to show you solutions which are NOT all great, and work towards a really good one. The last one would be considered fully professional.


I must say that at first I was aware of the unusual/novel melodic and harmonic aspects of the theme and wasn't sure how I felt about them. I can say now that I have come to like the theme and may try some other ways of transcribing the piano part.

My first try however contains most of the elements looked for in that it does not stray from the original structure, icludes the triplet rhythms and to agreat extent has some interest in the individual parts (though these do not show up very well in the rendered version from Finale.

Tangram
02-21-2007, 05:22 PM
Hi,

Here's my version:

http://82.183.160.44/MatsOHansson/Lesson1A.mp3

http://82.183.160.44/MatsOHansson/Lesson1A.pdf

/Mats

pianodoc
02-21-2007, 05:56 PM
Professor Belkin:

Thank you for the link to your web site and interest in responding to my remarks above. Paricipating in this course and having you available as a teacher certainly is an opportunity not to be missed.

I am looking forward to listening to some of your work and getting to know you as a composer as well as a teacher.

David Mauney

pianodoc
02-21-2007, 06:06 PM
Dan:

I have listened to your orchestration several times. I am always amazed and I admit, somewhat envious, of your ability to wrench the real life sound and balance from GPO that you invariably achieve in your music. As usual, very musical.

Steph:

I listened to your orchestration and feel that you realized much of what was requested. The movement and flow are crertainly there. Nice job.

David Mauney

Garritan
02-21-2007, 07:17 PM
Here is Alex R's version:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/principles/Belkin/AR_Assignement 1.mp3

-----------------------------

Garritan
02-21-2007, 07:18 PM
And Steve W just sent in his versions in PDF form:

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/principles/Belkin/sw-garritan_orchestration_1a.pdf

---------------------------

musicarteca
02-21-2007, 08:20 PM
Hi all, this is my version, comments are very welcomed.

http://legatoproductions.com/AR_Assignement1.mp3

swinkler
02-21-2007, 08:44 PM
Thank you Gary for posting the pdf. It has 2 versions and I will probably come up with a few more as I think through the possible solutions.

I enjoy listening to the various interpretations. It's interesting how many are coming up with closely related ideas. The thing I'm grappling with is making an interesting and playable line across the various string voices. The trick for me is not making it too busy. I want the texture to be transparent so the oboe to come through. I chose to use the harp to "help" the strings.

I left out the 1st violin at the beginning and had the bass pizz to keep the texture a little lighter. Then at the crescendo let the basses switch to arco and brought in the 1st violins.

The idea of a "pad" by some seems intuitive since the triplet line alone in the strings sounds too thin. The sustained notes kind of glue everything together and can create some additional counterpoint.

As a matter of discussion I wonder if anyone considered a solution like the following. I've seen this sort of thing done although in this case I think it would adversely change the character of the piece.


http://home.comcast.net/~winknotes/1a_alternate.TIF

Steve W.

Stephanie Pray
02-21-2007, 09:46 PM
Steph:

I listened to your orchestration and feel that you realized much of what was requested. The movement and flow are crertainly there. Nice job.

David Mauney

Thank you very much David :) I thought that your piece was very well done as well! :)

Take Care,
Steph

DPDAN
02-21-2007, 10:40 PM
WOW, thank you David.
I am not happy with what I did, but I went ahead and posted it anyway.
The melody is very strange in the center section. Difficult to make pretty musically, at least to me anyway.

I wish I knew that the harp was part of the string family, I would have added a pizz bass note on the bottom of those I guess triplets,,,,,whatever they are called... and add harp plucks after the bass pizzes, in other words, pizz harp harp harp, oh well :)
and what the heck is the time signature of this thing anyway? 9 something?
Thanks for your generosity David.
Dan

pianodoc
02-22-2007, 07:56 AM
Dan:

The time signature is 3 quarter note beats per measure except for the final three measures which are 2 quarter notes per measure. i.e. 3/4 with a change to 2/4 in the last three measures.

Have a good day.

David M.

Kaj Sundblom
02-23-2007, 05:51 PM
My version:http://www.box.net/public/3o3unomcej

MasterTenor
03-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Tangram: I just listened to your version and I must say that I'm impressed with how smooth it sounds. I would like to find a way to maintain this level of smoothness while keeping the rising motion of the arpeggios -- perhaps something to think about for a revision?

Edit: In case I should be posting my contribution here instead of elsewhere, it's available in both .wav and .mus formats here: <http://www.public.iastate.edu/~froboy/garritan/ (http://www.public.iastate.edu/%7Efroboy/garritan/)>

mrcaster
03-05-2007, 06:59 PM
Excuse my English an some mistakes because I’m from Spain (Europe) and my English is not so good.:o
This forum is fantastic, and I'm trying to orquestrate the part from Shartmann.
Can you tell me how can I insert an MP3 or PDF file? Thank you.

MasterTenor
03-06-2007, 09:59 AM
mrcaster:

If you can't host the files yourself, send a PM/forum e-mail to Gary under the username Garritan. He has graciously offered to host things for people who can't do it themselves. If you get in touch with him, I'm sure he'll get the ball rolling in the right direction for you. :)

mrcaster
03-09-2007, 12:05 PM
Thank you for your help MasterTenor,:)
I just have created a box for my music.
i tried to make three concepts with my orquestration:
1. the oboe's line is the most important line, the rest is accessory.(is this right in English?)
2. the orquestra is the sea where the moon(oboe) does reflect and get support for the main melody. I did a deep harmonic analyse. It wasn't easy, but necessary.
3. I included a harp, and it could also be a clavichembalo or another harp instrument.
orquestration mrcaster (http://www.box.net/public/nlt8jrj2po)

chikitin
11-08-2007, 01:27 PM
Downgrade! I like the contrast between high and low strings in your work.

How did you insert the picture of your score? It doesnt allow me to do that?

chikitin
11-11-2007, 02:34 PM
Here's what I have done.

http://faculty.uncfsu.edu/csarami/Orchestration/BelkinCourse/assignments.htm

Still I am not very satisfied with the way it sounds at the end. can you hear the harp's arpeggios? maybe in the real setup in orchestra can be heard better. In my revision I have lowered the Violins dynamics to pp. I guess if they play soft, they can attract the listener more and it doesn't cover the oboe's sound.

chikitin
11-11-2007, 04:53 PM
<http://www.public.iastate.edu/~froboy/garritan/>

It sounds really great. Although i have two friendly comments/suggestions on that! First, Why don't you swap viola and Violin? Viola and cellos play in close register, and can hear each other better! second, the violin 1 or 2 is missing in your score! I don't know which violin section is going to play your violin.

May I ask you how you created the wave file? I tried yours in my Finale w/ GPO didn't sound as good at all!! It sounds awesome!

I believe your last chord ( ending w/ Ab7 ) is nice!

Hope you don't mind commenting on my work!

chikitin
11-11-2007, 05:00 PM
3. I included a harp, and it could also be a clavichembalo or another harp instrument.
orquestration mrcaster (http://www.box.net/public/nlt8jrj2po)

Mr. Caster, It sounds great to me. I like your interpretation of the solo vs accompaniment! Just to tell you that, your English is well! Isn't clavicémbaloby, Harpsichord in English?

What did your use to get the sound? Is it GPO?

May you send us your harmonic analysis of this piece please?

pgfan92
08-16-2008, 05:17 AM
I went ahead and did my version just now. It's three pages.

Page 1: http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9444/lesson1page1uf6.jpg
Page 2: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5420/lesson1page2iz0.jpg
Page 3: http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/225/lesson1page3tt6.jpg

As for the mp3, I'm thinking about where I'm going to upload it. The mp3 is inaccurate though as Finale doesn't do anything about divisi strings.

pgfan92
08-16-2008, 05:27 AM
Ok, here's my mp3 (it's the one that says Lesson 1, though you're more than welcome to listen to the other one, I composed that one):

http://www.reverbnation.com/adamfloro

pgfan92
08-16-2008, 05:45 AM
I just realized that I completely forgot about the oboe, oh well, I'm still proud of the orchestration.