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Dup
12-12-2006, 05:16 AM
Hello,
As owner of a grand piano I want perhaps to midified it:
The idea is to play my piano with it's own sound and to run a sequencer to record the midi note..don't want silent system and sound module
Does somedy tried this:
http://www.midi9.com/
or other system. Need different opinons
Best regards
Dup

howardv
12-12-2006, 11:14 AM
There are 2 basic parts. The keyboard part that lets you use the grand as a midi keyboard. And the player part that makes the piano hammers move. I'm not real familiar with midi9 but a quick look seems to indicate its just the keyboard part plus a sound module... drawing on a qrs recording strip.

QRS does market both recording and player parts, however. My recommendation is that if you want a QRS system (Petine is their latest design, I think) contact them directly and find out if they have installers in your area. They player part is highly invasive to your piano and involves curtting a long slit through the bottom of your piano's frame behind the keybed for solenoids to reach through to the hammers. You want someone really experienced with both the player system and your piano model to do this sort of thing.

Another competing system is from PianoDisc but this may be a bad time for them because their Sacremento factory burned down a few months ago. But you might try calling their Mason & Hamlin offices in Mass to find out their current status and if they can refer you to local installers too. I personally prefer the PianoDisc systems to QRS's. The older QRS systems did not include a pedal solenoid... if you go for a QRS system, make sure its a newer one that does include that.

Btw, if all you wanted was midi keyboard capability, I'd suggest the Moog Piano Bar which Herbie Hancock uses. It's the least invasive and can be moved easily between pianos. But it won't play your piano. PianoDisc systems use a tft recording strip inserted within the piano action add about 3 grams of key weight. I understand that the newest QRS systems use laser sensing that adds no keyweight but I'm not sure if it's fully debugged yet because its so new.

There's also a 3rd component known as a Silent Bar. This keeps your piano hammers from striking the strings when you want to use your Grand as a midi keyboard but don't want the piano itself to sound.

Howard

rkmusic
12-12-2006, 01:52 PM
...There's also a 3rd component known as a Silent Bar. This keeps your piano hammers from striking the strings when you want to use your Grand as a midi keyboard but don't want the piano itself to sound.

Howard

I did a search for Silent Bar and nothing about such a physical artifact. Many entries with music empty bar = silent bar (measure).
So do you know how or where can be seen a silent bar in order to mount it in a piano for not heraing its proper sound?
Or what is the company that offer this bar?

Thanks,

rkmusic
12-12-2006, 02:14 PM
Hello,
As owner of a grand piano I want perhaps to midified it:
The idea is to play my piano with it's own sound and to run a sequencer to record the midi note..don't want silent system and sound module
Does somedy tried this:
http://www.midi9.com/
or other system. Need different opinons
Best regards
Dup

Hi Dup,

This is the QRSmusic Forum: http://qrs.forumexperts.com/
But I saw that the PNOscan thread is empty! but a lot of discussions regarding piano automation are there.
I will now look closer on this forum... Anyway I think that PNOscan is developed by midi9 in source, so maybe you could contact a kind person there named Jack.

rkmusic
12-12-2006, 02:28 PM
Hi Dup,

This is the QRSmusic Forum: http://qrs.forumexperts.com/
But I saw that the PNOscan thread is empty! but a lot of discussions regarding piano automation are there.
I will now look closer on this forum... Anyway I think that PNOscan is developed by midi9 in source, so maybe you could contact a kind person there named Jack.

Dup,

Curious but googeling I reach this one http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:fYxUVDcmhG0J:qrs.forumexperts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D160016%26sid%3D67a0c5ab6fd0681 ec63d33439326d9bc+QRS+PNOscan&hl=es&gl=es&ct=clnk&cd=10

and that is a thread in the mentioned forum above (friday, dec 1) but when you go to the forum itself in the category "Record systems" you find 0 discussion. It has been deleted.

Andrew Aversa
12-12-2006, 03:05 PM
Sounds like the PianoBar is what you want, if I'm understanding you correctly.

http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=71

Dup
12-13-2006, 02:02 PM
Hello,
Thanks for all your reply and suggestion...Hope to find with all your links some custumer opinion of this kind of products.
What I search is really something that use use my pianist experience and labour behind a real piano to translate emotion from my fingers.
All the products of piano I own and try( ivory, Old lady, Bosendorfer 290...) are great but the emotion is given with a lot of work and time with the computer mouse....My master keyboard is a A-80 Roland
Best regards
Dup

howardv
12-15-2006, 11:54 AM
Here's a link to PianoDisc's version of the silent bar that they now call Piano Mute:

http://www.pianodisc.com/products/details.aspx?id=69261

Howard

rkmusic
12-15-2006, 12:22 PM
Here's a link to PianoDisc's version of the silent bar that they now call Piano Mute:

http://www.pianodisc.com/products/details.aspx?id=69261

Howard

Thanks Howard. Unfortunately no images nor prices. This site along with the QRS site are not showing nothing in detail, a little bit confusing... In the other hand midi9 has PDF for reading and well explained.