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unphased
07-12-2006, 03:46 PM
Hi all, I'm new here, and a bit confused. Help would be much appreciated...

I already have a laptop, and like the idea of a software piano. I've looked around, and searched through forums, but I'm a bit overwhelmed... It seems many of the products have reasonable sounds and dynamics, but as far as being "inspiring to play" and "realistic", these 3 things stand out:

-harmonic sympathetic resonances
-continuous pedal control ("half-pedaling"? a misnomer?)
-3 pedal control (sustain, una corda, sostenuto)

Do any of the products out there implement all these things nicely?

I've also read about Kontakt 2 scripts... Can the scripts out there do all 3 to any K2-compatible piano?

For those out there who care about accurate pedal control, what are you using? I'll even consider a standalone keyboard workstation if I have to...

Richard Berg
07-12-2006, 04:43 PM
Hi unphased,

Do you have a digital piano or keyboard controller yet, or not?

Jibrish
07-13-2006, 02:05 PM
Don't know of a software piano with all that, but I'm with you on the interest in it. I have a GEM (Generalmusic out of Italy) Pro 2 and I still use it for real-time-play, composing, for the reasons you stated.

Also use Worra's (SampleTekk) for some things. Somebody had a version of sympathetic resonance... can't remember who it was.

hywyn
07-13-2006, 02:23 PM
These look funky:
http://www.cme-pro.com/products-list/product-gpp.html

Aaron Dirk
07-13-2006, 02:24 PM
I remember GeneralMusic had a 3 pedal/half pedaling unit you could buy separately for the Pro2. I don't know if it was exclusive to GeneralMusic products or not.

I use latch pedal for soft pedal via K2 script. it works, but doesn't do half pedaling.

For harmonic sympathetic resonances I like kornel's K2 script, which also offers harmonic sympathetic resonance for half pedaling.

unphased
07-13-2006, 03:19 PM
Richard, I haven't purchased a controller yet... After pouring through the forums, many people seem to think the best keys are only found on the higher end digital pianos. It seems like quality control is an issue for brands like M-Audio and CME? I've heard good things about the Casio PX-310 (for a cheap good-feeling controller), and the Roland RD-700sx (more expensive all-out digital piano). Haven't tried them out in person (yet).

That is an interesting pedal, hywyn. I guess any continuous controller pedal could work, though, assuming the software/hardware piano supports it... If that product features continuous controls, not just switches (didn't say), then it would be convenient to have all 3 together. Examples of single continuous controller pedals are Roland's DP-10 (http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=741&ParentId=39) and DP-8 (http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=586&ParentId=39).

Has everyone seen PMI's K2 scripting page (http://www.postpiano.com/products/K2.htm)? And the preview of their next super-duper piano (http://www.pianosamples.com/)?

Seems like they support sympathetic resonance, and all 3 pedals. I can't quite tell if "half-pedaling"/continuous-pedal-control is there, or not... Anyone? The descriptions seem to say "yes", but the screenshot of the midi data for the sustain pedal shows it merely jumping off/on. Sounds quite promising, though...

unphased
07-13-2006, 03:26 PM
For harmonic sympathetic resonances I like kornel's K2 script, which also offers harmonic sympathetic resonance for half pedaling.
So the amount of sympathetic resonance depends on the sustain level, which depends on the amount the pedal is depressed? If so, very cool. Do the scripts also support half-pedaling for the sostenuto, considering it's pretty much the same sustain function, but only on a select group of strings?

Aaron Dirk
07-13-2006, 04:06 PM
http://music.mezo.com/

It has a soft pedal option. Not sure about sostenuto

but Kontakt2 comes with a 3 pedal scripts, so you 'could' have sostenuto pedal script running before Kornels script. The key componant would be if you had 3 pedals that can send half pedal information.

Sr_Velasco
07-13-2006, 04:50 PM
These look funky:
http://www.cme-pro.com/products-list/product-gpp.html

Yes, it looks really nice, but I think it doesn't work as a continuous-pedal-control.

Laurent
07-14-2006, 02:14 AM
So the amount of sympathetic resonance depends on the sustain level, which depends on the amount the pedal is depressed? If so, very cool. Do the scripts also support half-pedaling for the sostenuto, considering it's pretty much the same sustain function, but only on a select group of strings?
I use Kornel scripts :
For sustain, there is a (discrete) half pedal zone with adjusted harmonic generation. Personnaly, I use a separate K2 script for instrument half pedal / repedaling and Kornel script for harmonics only.

I have never seen a script managing sustenuto, but it should be easy to create.

One comment about una corda pedal : Scripts can only decrease velocity or trigger filters. Ivory is the only piano I know with separate una corda samples. Not a continuous effect through, but the real "una corda" sound.

Gonz
07-14-2006, 06:56 AM
Laurent, could you answer my questions, please?

Which script do you use for instrument half pedal/repedaling? And for release?
Does Kornel script goes before or after this script?
Using both scripts, do I have to disable something more apart from harmonics in Kornel's? Don`t I have to disable halp pedal/repedalling in Kornel's when you are already using another script for this? How is it done?
Which convolution file or preset can I use together with the scripts to get even a better sound?
Thanks a lot.

Does anybody know if Kornell will update his scripts?

Nickie Fønshauge
07-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Does anybody know if Kornell will update his scripts?
I suppose he might, if you pay for it and ask him to update it.

Laurent
07-14-2006, 01:40 PM
Laurent, could you answer my questions, please?

Which script do you use for instrument half pedal/repedaling? And for release?
Does Kornel script goes before or after this script?
Using both scripts, do I have to disable something more apart from harmonics in Kornel's? Don`t I have to disable halp pedal/repedalling in Kornel's when you are already using another script for this? How is it done?
Which convolution file or preset can I use together with the scripts to get even a better sound?
Thanks a lot.
- For repedaling / HP, I use Xavier's script (posted here somewhere). This script is now a part of K2.1 library. I do this only because I "prefer" the note fade out sound compared to Kornel Script same feature.
- In this case, I don't load Kornel script in the main instrument.
- I create a duplicate Pedal Up only instrument, rename it "harmonic", and load Kornel script for harmonic only generation ("keyboard" disabled).

Further tuning depend on the piano... and the way you like it : with or without PD samples, with or without PU convolution...just try...

About updates, Kornel provides good support to registered users... and I encourage anybody using his scripts to buy them ;)

Olivier
07-14-2006, 02:02 PM
Hi,

take a look to the new second AKP public "update 1.1 Release 2", released yesterday. The repedalling in release in now real, you hear sustain samples back. (and not dry like hardware piano and other existing virtual piano)

It's more real than others repedalling soluce.

And others new features....

:)

Gonz
07-14-2006, 03:30 PM
Thanks a lot for your answers, Laurent.
Can we use the new repedalling script with other libraries, Olivier?