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vic_france
10-13-2006, 05:14 PM
Just to say I'm very happy to be using the Vintage Keyboard Collection in Kontakt 2 now. (loading time is so much faster than in the Halion Player). A very worthwhile crossgrade, IMHO :)

fizbin
10-13-2006, 05:41 PM
I just ordered this during the sale. Hoping it flies across the ocean as I've lusted after these keyboards for some time. Can anyone match the new names up with the real/old names? The Scarbee site seems to be steering clear of any mention of the originals.

Funky = clav?
Edgy = wurly?

Jay

vic_france
10-13-2006, 06:26 PM
Funky = clav?
Edgy = wurly?

Yep, with "Sticky" being the Pianet (whose hammers were in fact sticky ;) )

steff3
10-14-2006, 02:53 AM
Yes, a great collection :-)

Laurent
10-14-2006, 03:01 AM
Just to say I'm very happy to be using the Vintage Keyboard Collection in Kontakt 2 now. (loading time is so much faster than in the Halion Player). A very worthwhile crossgrade, IMHO :)
I'm happy too ! :D
I'm having a lot of fun with those keyboards, and with the VKFX (so much great presets...):p

The only K2 drawback is the release management. There is still the same bug when release samples are triggered by the sustain pedal moving up. I once had the pb with sampled piano too.
Example : play a loud sustained note with the rhodes (oupss sorry CEP), let the sound fade a while (still pedal down), and then play gently the same note and release the pedal immediately : "boing", loud -loo loud- release sound !
Just like if Kontakt reset the release timer on the last played note, and play as many loud superposed releases as identical notes caught in the sustain.

There is two way to solve this :
- wait for K2.x.x......?
- write a script to control the release samples...(like Kornel tried for piano)

Unfortunately, I'm neither patient nor programming gifted so....:(

Anyway, I love those electric pianos ;)

Mahal
10-14-2006, 07:15 AM
There is two way to solve this :
wait for K2.x.x......?
write a script to control the release samples...(like Kornel tried for piano) 1. NI support told me yesterday that the next update is to come at the end of october

2. there's a script for this written by Nils/Kotori. It has been posted in the "unmentionable" other forum.

But back to VKC: I like it too. The only issue that I have is that every sample seems to start with about 5 ms of silence, which adds noticeably to the overall latency.
Besides that, the sound is great :)


Update: Kotori's script is a little bit complicated to use. Here's a simpler version that works well for me:

{*************************************************
Release Mask
Copyright (c) 2006 Marc Halbruegge

This script is free software; you can redistribute it
and/or modify it under the terms of version 2.1 of the
GNU Lesser General Public License as published by the
Free Software Foundation.

This script is distributed in the hope that it will be
useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied
warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE. See the GNU Lesser General Public License
for more details.
*************************************************}

on init
declare %lastEventId[128]
end on

on note
%lastEventId[$EVENT_NOTE] := $EVENT_ID
end on

on release
if (%lastEventId[$EVENT_NOTE] # $EVENT_ID)
ignore_event($EVENT_ID)
fade_out($EVENT_ID,0,1)
end if
end on

Laurent
10-14-2006, 09:22 AM
Good news !

I'll try the script, because I'm not sure K2 update will fix the thing.

About the additional latency, did you tried to adjust sample start point ?

I haven't been bothered by the latency.
It's been a while I haven't played the real thing (I have a good friend who own one, lucky him), and I have the feeling that the real instrument don't react "superfast" too, (it has a "slower feel" compared to an accoustic piano, or a stage digital piano). It's maybe just a feeling due to the keyboard touch.

kotori
10-14-2006, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the script Marc. It is indeed very simple to use. I could just add that our scripts are a bit different. Your script is essentially a self-mask script specifically for release samples while my script inhibits release samples when the pedal is pressed. If the pedal is down and one note is played your script will cause a release sample to be played when the pedal is released while my script will not. I don't mean to say that either is better than the other, they are simply different. Maybe my script works better for real pianos like the Black Grand and your script more naturally reproduces the desirable behaviour for CEP.

Btw. In case anyone is interested, to use my script with CEP one needs to move the release trigger groups to the end using a cut-'n-paste operation (or modify the script slightly).