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sergiobklyn
07-24-2006, 08:19 AM
Here's some of it:

pros
http://www.soundonsound.com/images/pcsBullet.gifIt sounds uncannily like a real violin, with highly realistic legato, vibrato, portamento, glissando, and trills.
http://www.soundonsound.com/images/pcsBullet.gifSeamless morphing between four dynamic layers enables smooth-as-silk dynamic transitions.
http://www.soundonsound.com/images/pcsBullet.gifThe controller options allow very expressive and emotive violin performances.
http://www.soundonsound.com/images/pcsBullet.gifVery good value for money.
cons
http://www.soundonsound.com/images/pcsBullet.gifThe tremolo simulation is not convincing.
http://www.soundonsound.com/images/pcsBullet.gifThere are no long glissando, col legno, or artificial harmonics samples.
summary
If you're working with a modest budget and need a solo violin to add to an orchestral arrangement or to play on its own, Stradivari is the perfect solution. Although not a good bet for one-fingered programmers, it's a keyboard player's dream — it feels and sounds like a real instrument, and its expressive powers are second to none.

And this is the conclusion:

As you would rightly expect from a priceless, 300-year-old instrument, the Strad violin (played by Pauline Kim) has a rich, vibrant mature tone with plenty of depth and body. The bowing is smooth, assured, and free of inconsistencies right across the G2 to E6 range, resulting in a musically satisfying set of samples. When allied to Stradivari's technical innovations and advanced programming techniques, the raw sounds are transformed into a sophisticated and intelligent instrument which somehow manages to be more than the sum of its parts.
Forget all the technical stuff — the most important fact about the Stradivari violin is that it's enormous fun to play, a salutary reminder of why we all got started in the music business in the first place! As ever, a little bit of keyboard technique helps, but though it can make you sound like a virtuoso, you don't have to study for years to play it. With a little practise, your fiddling will soon rival that of the Enron directors, and unlike Nicolo Paganini (the great 19th-century violinist whose phenomenal technique gave rise to rumours of diabolical assistance), you won't have to sell your soul to the devil to cover the cost of this expressive instrument.

joaz
07-24-2006, 08:41 AM
the Strad violin (played by Pauline Kim) has a rich, vibrant mature tone with plenty of depth and body
I found this assesment of the tone, very interesting, in light of the recent discussion, on the tone of the Gofriller Cello.
The criticisms currently being levelled at the Cello's Tone, ( Thin, Nasal, Metallic) were also levelled at the Stradi when it was first released.

I happen to agree that the tone of the Stradi can be a little nasal at times, but it has to be said that the tone of a real Stradivarius is also nasal at times. It is this highly focused sound that helps a Stradi soar above an orchestra.
It cannot be overstated, that tone is an extremely subjective factor, when it comes to stringed instruments.

Nice Review.

regards Joe

leadbelly
10-11-2006, 11:41 PM
The Garritan strad has a distinctive tone.

The tone is rich, warm, indeed can be slightly "nasal" at times.

But this is how a real violin sounds!

Our ears have been tricked into expecting our solo strings to have a more delicate, smooth, less harmonically-dense sound because of the preponderance of that type of sample in the majority of keyboards (ie synths etc) today. A real violin has all the characteristics of the strad, the sound of horsehair on strings, stings and sings......it can be delicate, but usually is poignant; rather achingly so....

I should know, I have played violin for over 25 years.

Nonetheless, I concede that the tone may not be the most suited to certain musical situations, but for realism, this is the current "gold standard"

Its kinda like your first bite of a sharp, aged, complex cheese....once you begin to appreciate the depth and complexity of flavour, you're hooked!

You will never like "cheez whiz" again!

The VSL violin to my ears has a more subdued, milder tone, not exactly what I like, but good nevertheless.

Peace


leadbelly

Garritan
10-20-2006, 02:53 PM
The Garritan strad has a distinctive tone.

The tone is rich, warm, indeed can be slightly "nasal" at times.

But this is how a real violin sounds!

Our ears have been tricked into expecting our solo strings to have a more delicate, smooth, less harmonically-dense sound because of the preponderance of that type of sample in the majority of keyboards (ie synths etc) today. A real violin has all the characteristics of the strad, the sound of horsehair on strings, stings and sings......it can be delicate, but usually is poignant; rather achingly so....

I should know, I have played violin for over 25 years.

leadbelly,

What you write is so true. The sample industry has done a disservice in creating a false reality. Processed homogenous sampled sounds have created an expectation of what a violin is 'supposed' to sound like. In reality a violin is sometimes harsh, sometimes nasal, sometimes bright and sometimes golden. We have attempted to provide these different sonorities with the Strad.

I look forward to hearing with someone of your experience has to offer. Please offer your insights and expertise as there is much we can learn from you. If we know what a real violinist does, the better we are able to emulate in the virtual world.

Thanks for your post.

gary Garritan

Dr. Dave
11-24-2006, 10:49 AM
Terrific review! Just what I needed.

I'm a bit disappointed at the upper end of the range, but really disappointed at the lack of artificial harmonics, which I use a lot.

From the demos I've heard I have to agree that the GSV sounds terrific, with all of the grittiness of a real violin. It sounds like it would be a blast to play. But given my extensive use of the altissimo range and artificial harmonics, it looks like I'll have to pass on it.

Too bad; I was going to ask for it for Xmas...

Garritan
11-24-2006, 12:44 PM
Dr. Dave,

Since the SOS review there is a new version out. Stradivari 2.0 has a "Lyrical" patch as well as a classic patch and may have more of the sound you are looking for.

Gary Garritan

Dr. Dave
11-24-2006, 12:53 PM
Hi Gary,

Can you tell me more about the Lyrical patch, or point me to where the info is?

And thanks for the quick reply!

Dave


Dr. Dave,

Since the SOS review there is a new version out. Stradivari 2.0 has a "Lyrical" patch as well as a classic patch and may have more of the sound you are looking for.

Gary Garritan

Dr. Dave
11-28-2006, 10:17 AM
OK, I found a bit of information about the Lyrical violin at http://www.garritan.com/stradivari.html, but no more information about the range or artificial harmonics.

So I take it that I am out of luck for artificial harmonics with GSV?

danpowers
11-28-2006, 10:25 AM
For now, at least, it seems you are. But if enough people start asking for it, perhaps this is something that could be added.

Gary, if you're reading this, consider this a request for artificial harmonics. (And I wouldn't say no to a "sul G" option for that passionate gypsy sound!)

lukpcn
11-28-2006, 01:02 PM
What are those artificial harmonics ???

A "Flagolettes" ??? :confused:

Nickie Fønshauge
11-28-2006, 02:56 PM
What are those artificial harmonics ???

A "Flagolettes" ??? :confused:
Artificial harmonics are flageolettes on stopped strings, as opposed to natural harmonics, that are flageolettes on open strings.

lukpcn
11-28-2006, 03:16 PM
Artificial harmonics are flageolettes on stopped strings, as opposed to natural harmonics, that are flageolettes on open strings.

so artificial is when 4th finger put on string lightly while keeping 1st on the same string hard ?

natural - only 4th finger used ????

Nickie Fønshauge
11-28-2006, 06:09 PM
so artificial is when 4th finger put on string lightly while keeping 1st on the same string hard ?

natural - only 4th finger used ????
That's correct. Or any other pair of fingers.

Dr. Dave
12-03-2006, 03:11 PM
Yes. Artificial harmonics on the violin and viola are usually played by fingering a note with the first (index) finger and lightly touching the same string a perfect fourth above with the fourth finger. This produces a pitch two octaves above the original note, that is, the one fingered with the index finger.

Cellists often finger the original note with their thumb and touch the string with their third or fourth fingers.

This is just the most common way to produce artificial harmonics. They can be produced by touching the string at intervals other than a fourth, such as a perfect fifth, a major third, minor third ... all with different resulting pitches. The sounds are subtly different, especially on solo instruments.

But I would gladly settle for even the common ones in GSV!

(And the "sul G" would be a great addition too!)

jeraz
12-22-2006, 05:01 PM
The Garritan strad has a distinctive tone.

The tone is rich, warm, indeed can be slightly "nasal" at times.

But this is how a real violin sounds!

High leadbelly,

Actually, the Guarneri, which to SOME ears is preferred to the Stradavari, is "thicker, warmer and without the nasal qualities to my ears.. Could one also say that, THAT is what a violin sounds like? I love the expressive, "rise above the crowd" sound of the Stradavari, but I just bounced it OUT of a folks song I am doing, in favor of the GPO solo Guarneri...it just fit better. It is not as expressive, but with CC#64, #20, #22, #24, #1, and #7, I got it to sound at least CLOSE to a folk fiddle. ;). At least I am hoping :rolleyes:

Maybe I will post here (with a link to the music section) when I am done to see if those of you that are more experienced at this than I will have some further pointers.

Best,

Mark

jeraz
12-22-2006, 05:05 PM
...and I would LOVE to have a Guarnari with the same controls as the Strad!!!

And OT, check this out...

Mystery of Stardavari and Guarneri Sounds Solved (http://www.playfuls.com/news_003110_Stradivarius_Guarneri_Mystery_Is_Solve d.html)

Best,

Mark

Seq
12-22-2006, 10:40 PM
Just adding a nod that if a Solo Guarnari were to be released in the future that might be something I would be very interested in too! But heck... there is still a lot to learn about the Strad to keep me most busy for now.