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falcon1
07-14-2004, 12:25 PM
Hi all, here it comes finally!

I managed to put together a "little" arrangement of the hymn Amazing Grace. :)

The intrumentation is as follows:

1 Piccolo
2 Flutes
2 Oboe's
1 English Horn
2 Clarinet's in Bb
1 Bass Clarinet in Bb
2 Bassoons
1 Contrabassoon

4 Horns
3 Trumpets
3 Trombones
2 Tubas

Timpani
Bass Drum
Cymbals
Triangle
Tubular Bells
Glockenspiel

Harp
Organ

Strings

The piece: http://www.falcon-creations.com/mp3/amazingGrace_symphonic.mp3
The hymn text: http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/m/amazgrac.htm

Btw. The mp3 file is about 10mb's.

As always, ALL comments are appreciated!

Ps. Sorry goes to Frank (Bela-M) because I cancelled my plan to use vocals - at least for now.

Joseph Burrell
07-14-2004, 09:59 PM
I like what I hear, but it seems there's too much reverb (but you may have been aiming for that with a church type sound.) It was hard for me to hear the organ when it was low in the beginning and it got kind of muddy with the organ and brass at around 3:30 or so. Then the winds came in and made my day. Never heard this piece orchestrated before and I think you did an excellent job. Turned this into a very epic song.

Adam Frechette
07-14-2004, 10:15 PM
I agree there is too much reverb, also the strings sound artificial they could be more tender. Perhaps some more vibrato, if you were aiming for beauty lose the organ and replace it with a harp/piano or perhaps a choir underneath. And at one point it gets really loud and distorted because of the reverb you will want to fix that. The woodwinds do sound very good as does the epic climax. Keep up the good work.

Jerry W.
07-15-2004, 12:20 AM
Falcon,

I really liked this! I agree that the reverb tends to muddy up the clarity of strings and tends to wash out the separation of instruments. Also - while the wind scoring is fantastic - for realism's sake, give those wind players a chance to breathe! The nice flute melody starting around 2:12 doesn't pause at all for a breath till 3:10. I've heard of saxiphonists being able to perform circular breathing, but not a flute player! ha ha.

I really love the harmonies, the choices of instrumentation, and the overall piece. I would bring the reverb down if you want a bit more clarity, I understand you were trying to go for a church reverb, (?) but I think that you do this wonderful arrangement a disservice by having too much of it (IMHO)
Thanks for sharing!!

Jerry

falcon1
07-15-2004, 06:17 AM
Hi guys and thanks for the comments.

Here's a new version with less reverb: http://www.falcon-creations.com/mp3/amazingGrace_symphonic_v2.mp3



Joseph, there isn't any organ until 4:25. :) But the orchestration in that section (4:25 - 5:25) is very thick, and I was aiming for it. However, maybe in the mix it sounds muddier than it would be live.
Thanks Joseph for liking it, it took unusual long time to arrange this hymn. :)

Adam, please listen to my v2 which has less reverb. What I was aiming for was mainly contrast but also to express the text, listen to the "bells" (not loud) and connect that with the organ and then see the text. :)

Jerry, hehehe... you noticed a flaw in the midi programming. I have correct that in the v2. :)

This is one of the most difficult piece I have needed to mix so there's bound to be some mistakes like the reverb one. So please let me know if there's something else which I can improve.
Also, because lack of time I haven't be able to program the piece to ultimate realism - if that's possible. :) But I think I manage to program the end, where the risk was that the winds sounded like machine guns. :D

Please let me hear what you think of v2. Is it better or worse?

Jerry W.
07-15-2004, 06:53 AM
Hi guys and thanks for the comments.

Here's a new version with less reverb: http://www.falcon-creations.com/mp3/mp3/amazingGrace_symphonic_v2.mp3


Jerry, hehehe... you noticed a flaw in the midi programming. I have correct that in the v2. :)



Please let me hear what you think of v2. Is it better or worse?

The Url isn't working.
:)

Jerry

Joseph Burrell
07-15-2004, 07:06 AM
Corrected Link (http://www.falcon-creations.com/mp3/amazingGrace_symphonic_v2.mp3)

Here you go Jerry W. :D

Joseph Burrell
07-15-2004, 07:08 AM
Ver. 2.0 = 1000% improved.

I have nothing to say about the new version. Absolutely beautiful.

falcon1
07-15-2004, 07:14 AM
The Url isn't working.
:)

Jerry

Sorry about that Jerry, and thanks goes to Joseph to correct the link. :)

falcon1
07-16-2004, 06:47 AM
Ver. 2.0 = 1000% improved.

I have nothing to say about the new version. Absolutely beautiful.

Thanks Joseph!

This is the arrangement which has taken me longest time to finish, or about three weeks if we take into count the other 7 versions I started on. So I was in kind of mind struggling with this piece, like Beethoven with his 9th symphony. :) But I'm satisfied with the result and hopefully most people will be too. :)

Now, where can I find big enough orchestra to play the piece live? Hmm... :D

Again thanks for listening!

Ps. Have you listened to the piece and compare it to the text? How do you think I expressed the words? Properly or not? :)

sporter
07-25-2004, 09:23 AM
Beautiful, Stefan. As always your creations have a wonderful passion and attention to detail. The build up is gradual and very emotional.

Very inspiring, one of my favorite songs, and perhaps THE best arrangement I've ever heard.

falcon1
07-25-2004, 10:05 AM
Beautiful, Stefan. As always your creations have a wonderful passion and attention to detail. The build up is gradual and very emotional.

Very inspiring, one of my favorite songs, and perhaps THE best arrangement I've ever heard.

Sporter, thanks for your comments!

I tried my best to express the meaning of text and the song, and I think I have manage to do just that. :) It wasn't easy however and it took me longer time to do this arrangement than most others.

Hopefully it will be performed live someday. If it will be performed live I'll post a record of that performance here. :cool:

Again thanks all for your comments!

Hardy Heern
07-26-2004, 05:35 AM
A beautiful complex arrangement. The basic song is just so beautiful that it is equally satisfying from a simple gospel singer arrangement to this...in fact simple is sometimes better. Amazing Grace is right up there with 'Abide with me' and 'Crimond'
IM (ever so) HO.

Thinking about it, you don't hear that much 12 atonal stuff at funerals do you!:) Actually that would make a nice black comedy sketch if you can picture it!:)

My favourite version is the one by the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards which opens with bagpipes and then follows with a full military band. Now that really makes the hairs curl on the back of your neck. It was a HUGE hit in the UK at the time.

The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, December 10, 1999

Reviewer: Roger Kennedy (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2BIAR1V0PWO27/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-7910461-7544009)(New York, NY United States) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2BIAR1V0PWO27/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-7910461-7544009)http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/communities/reputation/c7y_badge_rn_1.gif (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/13158871/pop-up)http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/communities/reputation/c7y_badge_tr_6.gif (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/13158871/pop-up)
This is the classic recording of "Amazing Grace" by the combined bands of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards. This recording was originally released in 1972 to mark the amalgamation of the Royal Scots Greys and the 3rd Carabiniers, to become the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, Scotland's only cavalry regiment. The album first appeared on the RCA label and it was this recording which gained the bands such world reknowned fame, selling over 6 million copies of the tune when it was released on 45 rpm. In addition to "Amazing Grace," the bands present a stiring concert of regimental and martial tunes which are associated with the current regiment and its predessors. The versatility of the bands is shown in many selections, including "Going Home" which is a beautiful rendition of Dvorak's theme presented here for combined bands. The military band presents a fine concert piece in "Cornet Carillion" amply demonstrating the fine musicianship which existed in the band at that time. "The Russian Imperial Anthem" stems from when the Czar was colonel of the regiment at the turn of the century. There is also a selection of regimental trots and canters which recalls the days when the regiment was a mounted cavalry unit. The pipes and drums perform three rousing medlys of scottish tunes, including a "Drummers Salute." Listening to this pipe band, one can see why it has become one of the finest pipe bands in the British Army, and remains so today. There is much nostalga in this recording in that the military band of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards no longer exists, having been reduced in 1994 with the reduction of all British Army regimental bands. So the listener has a wonderful opportunity to hear these two bands in their prime from nearly 25 years ago. These bands helped create a demand for popular military music from their "Amazing Grace" release which still exists today. Sit back and enjoy. --This text refers to the Audio CD (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002WEN/ref=cm_rev_prev/002-7910461-7544009?v=glance&s=music) edition


4. Amazing Grace Listen (http://javascript<b></b>:amz_js_PopWin('/exec/obidos/tg/stores/recs/radio/krex/-/track/B000031KBF001004/ref=pd_krex_dp_t/002-7910461-7544009',winName,winArgs);)http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/detail/notes_clear.gifListen (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000031KBF001004/0/002-7910461-7544009)http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/detail/notes_clear.gif Listen (http:///exec/obidos/clipserve/B000031KBF001004/0/002-7910461-7544009)http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/detail/notes_clear.gifListen (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000031KBF001004/1/002-7910461-7544009)http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/detail/notes_clear.gif


Only the second 'Listen' seems to work (it's from Amazon.com) .....it only gives you a small taste unfortunately.....and perhaps you need to be Scottish to appreciate it!:) My condolences to those of you who aren't!:eek:

Frank

falcon1
07-26-2004, 07:48 AM
Hi Hardy, thanks for your comment.

No, there isn't a lot of atonal stuff at funerals - at least not in those which I have played in. :) Maybe I should improvise something in next funeral? :D

Generally I don't like the sound of bagpipes, but they often work well in Amazing Grace.

Again thanks!

Styxx
07-26-2004, 08:07 AM
Absolutely amazing! (no pun intended). :)

falcon1
07-26-2004, 01:35 PM
Absolutely amazing! (no pun intended). :)

Thanks Styxx!

Jerry W.
07-27-2004, 12:48 AM
Sorry it took so long to get back to you!

WOW - Version 2 is awesome - I am listening to it for the 4th time and love your arrangement!

Your choices of instrumentation are impeccable!

My hat's off to you, Falcon!

Jerry Wickham

falcon1
07-27-2004, 08:23 AM
Sorry it took so long to get back to you!

WOW - Version 2 is awesome - I am listening to it for the 4th time and love your arrangement!

Your choices of instrumentation are impeccable!

My hat's off to you, Falcon!

Jerry Wickham

Hi Jerry, thanks for your comment and kind words - I appreciate it!

Sincerely,
Stefan