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Skysaw
07-06-2004, 10:10 AM
Here's a little bit of an update on my ongoing film work. Some of you expressed some interest in this project when I last posted, so I have gotten permission from the director and producer to share clips on this forum. If there is enough interest, I may post more as things progress.

Movie
Running Deep - Invision Films
Release: Late summer, 2004

Scene
Kevin goes to wake his brother Matt, while his father Mike cleans up after breakfast. Kevin discovers Matt dead from a drug overdose, lying on his bed. Mike frantically tries to revive him, while Kevin phones 911.

Files
MP4 (http://www.allhands.com/invision/mp4/overdose.mp4) - Video/audio composite. A large (11.6MB) download, playable with Apple's free Quicktime Player. This is not a polished edit, and the dialogue sound has been compromised.

MP3 (http://www.allhands.com/invision/mp3/overdose.mp3) - Music only, with the tail end missing. Just over 2MB. This is an updated version, for those of you who heard the earlier one.

Those of you who don't wish to download the huge MP4 file can enjoy these mini-screen captures:

http://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od1.jpghttp://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od2.jpghttp://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od3.jpg
http://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od4.jpghttp://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od5.jpghttp://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od6.jpg
http://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od7.jpghttp://allhands.com/invision/thumbs/od8.jpg
Images copyright 2004 Invision Films / Music copyright 2004 All Hands Music

Comments and questions welcomed.

- Jamie

Karl Garrett
07-06-2004, 11:36 AM
Hey Jamie,

I have to say that in my opinion the music is the best part of this scene. You really captured the mood.

Best of luck with this venture,

Karl

kejero
07-06-2004, 01:38 PM
Hi Jamie,

First off, I think the music is very good. On itself and within the storyline (of the particular scene) I think it works very well, it captures the right mood.

However, I personally felt that the score didn't fit the way the scene was shot... In the music you reflected the moment at which Mike realises Kevin is dead and all is lost very well (probably not unintentionally ;) ). But the camera didn't reflect this - the filming technique remains very active and energetic. That's where I felt the music and the images didn't correspond.

As you may notice from the way I write this, you may guess that I think the 'fault' here is with the filming department, and not in the score. The shock that Mike experiences is shown more in the music than in the filming, so if I were to make suggestions, it was to the editors, to try to make the images reflect the emotions of the characters in a similar way as the music does. In this situation that would probably mean slow motion, or maybe the snap-shot kind of slow motion you often see in war action sequences.

Or you could just adapt the music so it works better with the sort of 'hectic' camera work, which would be a shame because I think the music now reflects what it is supposed to reflect.

Or you could leave it the way it is, because I'm of course merely giving my personal point of view. And the music IS good afterall :)

Edit: On second view: I noticed the camera work seems to focus at Matt the moment Matt comes back from the phone, and Matt isn't past the point of realising it's too late. Although my previously suggested slow motion might still work, maybe it wouldn't be so bad afterall to add a bit of volume and/or rhythm to the soundtrack at this point... Oh well, just suggesting ;)

I'm definitely curious to see more! :)

Skysaw
07-06-2004, 03:13 PM
Thanks for the comments, guys.


In the music you reflected the moment at which Mike realises Kevin is dead and all is lost very well (probably not unintentionally ). But the camera didn't reflect this - the filming technique remains very active and energetic. That's where I felt the music and the images didn't correspond.
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On second view: I noticed the camera work seems to focus at Matt the moment Matt comes back from the phone, and Matt isn't past the point of realising it's too late. Although my previously suggested slow motion might still work, maybe it wouldn't be so bad afterall to add a bit of volume and/or rhythm to the soundtrack at this point...

From my discussions with the director, the camera work is intentional. The focus remains on Mike (the father), but the action is all Kevin (son). It's an unusual juxtaposition, in that you have one character completely frantic, and the other calm. This is a mirror of the relationship between Mike and Kevin, which at this point, is being driven ever further apart. There were always misunderstandings, but the death of Matt is like a spike that completely divides them. Matt was the "favorite" son.

Part of what may seem out of place is probably a lack of context in seeing this scene by itself. At the very beginning of the movie, we learn that Mike has just lost his wife. He begins to lose control of his life, and even halucinates that she is still around. Matt's death pushes him completely over the edge, and his life starts to completely disintegrate.

There were a number of musical solutions to this scene, but what I chose to do was to have the score follow Mike, and completely ignore Kevin. Mike is the central character in the story, and this scene is much more about what Matt's death does to him than it is about Matt's death itself. He is in such a fog, that Kevin's flailing about barely registers.

I'm curious to hear other opinions on whether or not they find this effective in communicating these ideas.

kejero
07-07-2004, 04:16 AM
There were a number of musical solutions to this scene, but what I chose to do was to have the score follow Mike, and completely ignore Kevin. Mike is the central character in the story, and this scene is much more about what Matt's death does to him than it is about Matt's death itself. He is in such a fog, that Kevin's flailing about barely registers.

Good choice ;) I'm not sure I understand why the camera doesn't take the same route though... But you're right, a scene on itself can't work in the same way as it would when seen as part of a whole

Sounds like an interesting project :)

Skysaw
07-07-2004, 08:59 AM
Good choice ;) I'm not sure I understand why the camera doesn't take the same route though...

I don't know the answer to that question as I hadn't really thought about it until this discussion. I'm going to try not to think about that one too hard. :)

jmc
07-07-2004, 12:49 PM
I'm curious to hear other opinions on whether or not they find this effective in communicating these ideas.
Wow. Very effective. I listened to the cue a few times when you first posted it, and it's great to see it with the film. I can definitely see there would be multiple solutions for the scene, and I really like the way you played it. Anyone who's been in a situation like that can recognize that moment of dreamlike haziness where it can't be real, where you retreat into your head trying to escape the reality that is right in front of you.

The other thing I like so much is how everything is in these sustained tones, rather than doing some frantic rhythmic noodling. While the music is one of the best aspects of this scene, the acting is still good enough to let you play against it somewhat, and get to the heart of the overall story. You made some very good decisions here. I look forward to seeing the completed project.

Hardy Heern
07-07-2004, 04:20 PM
I thought that was extremely effective Jamie....I only downloaded the MP3 and looked at the photo sequence but, nevertheless, got the drift.

Frank

Alan Lastufka
07-07-2004, 04:21 PM
Looks like a great project! Good luck!

BDoggWhite
07-08-2004, 08:05 AM
Nice work. I'm new to all of this....may I ask what programs (and equipment?) you used to make this? Thank you and good luck!

Gary M. Thomas
07-08-2004, 08:07 AM
Skysaw, looks like it's gonna be good. Best of luck to you. ;) Gary

Skysaw
07-08-2004, 09:02 AM
Nice work. I'm new to all of this....may I ask what programs (and equipment?) you used to make this? Thank you and good luck!

I work in Sonar 3 Producer Edition on a P4 2.6 Ghz/2GB PC running XP Home.

Most of the sounds in this scene are GPO:
Bass Clarinet
2 Contrabass Clarinets
Contrabassoon
Contrabass Tuba
Chromatic Harp Harmonics
Bass Drum (compressed for extra "oomph")
Gong

The electronic sounds are all from an Alesis QS7.1 keyboard, and are further processed with a number of plug-ins, mostly dramatic EQ and delays. The tabla, clay drums, and crotales are from the "Ethnicity" Acid loop disk.

For this film, the director has been sending me mp4 files of large sections. I open these in Quicktime Pro, and cut them into workable scenes. Then I save each scene as both an mp4 and an avi file. The avi I import into my Sonar project to work with. When I have something to show, I export the music from Sonar, and maybe clean it a bit in Soundforge. I then import it back into Quicktime Pro, where I add it as a soundtrack channel to the mp4. When the scene and music are finalized, the director gets the music (as an aif file) and timing information, and he puts it the actual film project.

The reason the dialogue sounds funny at the end is that he gave me this scene with a temp music track, which I had to duck out around the spoken words... a bit of a mess. I was too impatient to start this scene to wait for him to send me a clean dialogue track.