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sfiks
06-06-2004, 07:52 PM
Hello everybody,
It's not a good time to post - so many fantastic pieces were presented this week. Here is my first attempt with GPO. Will be glad to hear any oppinions.
String Quartet. Finale. (http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=734959&t=4003)
Thank you for listening.

Joseph Burrell
06-06-2004, 08:18 PM
Nice piece. The only thing constructive thing I can say is that there isn't enough reverb on the piece. Also, the piece sounds static (don't feel bad, I've gotten this critisism as well.) Are you writing this in a notation program? I'm using the included Overture right now and it's a real pain getting the dynamics in there. What I've done is dump it to midi and draw in the mod wheel dynamics in the included Cubase. Time consuming, you say? You have no idea. I like the tone and feel of it though. Nice signature by the way. :D

Nicole
06-06-2004, 08:25 PM
Hello everybody,
It's not a good time to post - so many fantastic pieces were presented this week. Here is my first attempt with GPO. Will be glad to hear any oppinions. Look at the 3rd piece on my page
String Quartet Finale (http://www.sonarama.com/1.0/zina_index.php?p=c04%2F99)

Thank you for listening.

This is interesting, its got a Baroque feel(least in certain sections) but is displaced with meter choice! :) Thank you for sharing this I enjoyed it. What I could suggest is trying to shift timings around or something so it doesnt have the too perfect playing sound:)

BTW how did you end up with my old quote lol??? its supposed to read "Music is a hard genre to judge. Its like taking two different people and asking which is more beautiful and finely crafted the ocean or the mountains"

Garritan
06-06-2004, 09:14 PM
sfiks,

It's always a good time to post and always nice to hear a string quartet.
What delightful music! Did you write this? I like the instrument balance, the intimacy and the interweaving lines.

I'm not sure about whether more reverb is needed. For a piece like this, sometimes an intimate sound is appropriate. If you wouldn't mind, I could try applying an impulse to the piece for a comparison. Also, could you tell us the solo string instrumentaion you used?

Would you mind if this finds its way on the the GPO site?

Thanks for posting this.

Gary Garritan

sfiks
06-07-2004, 12:37 PM
Joseph, thank you for listening and comments! :)

there isn't enough reverb on the piece.
Maybe you're right. I didn't want it to sound like from a big stage, I wanted performers to be close to the audience. It's always a question for me - how much?

Also, the piece sounds static
Is it static to you in harmony, tempo, metre, loudness, or emotionally?

Are you writing this in a notation program?
No, I'm using Sonar 3. Its notation feature is a bit clumsy, but I got used to it.
Thanks again for paying attention to my work. Hope to hear from you.

Skysaw
06-07-2004, 12:48 PM
It doesn't need more reverb in my opinion. It could definitely use some rubato throughout, and probably a lot more help from the old mod wheel. It's getting there, though!

Karl Garrett
06-07-2004, 12:54 PM
Sfiks, This is delightful. I love the shifting meter. You have a nice grasp of good compositional style. I've found it very hard to be very convincing with solo strings, but parts of this are quite realistic. Swell performance.

Houston Haynes
06-07-2004, 01:47 PM
I think that if you're looking to put these notes on the printed page and get live players to breathe life into it - you're well on your way. The bouncy vertical structure in the first part of the finale can work very well in the context of a larger work, and the break away from that is a nice contrast - especially the cascade that rolls through all of the instruments.

If you're looking to fool somone with this performance, then that's not going to happen without a lot more TLC to the MIDI data, including bowing and legato controllers, as well as a lot of tweaking of timbre and expression. But that's really up to you. I can hear what you're trying to do compositionally, and in the right context I think it should come off very well. It's a really nice piece and should be received well when/if played live by a group of talented players.

sfiks
06-07-2004, 04:01 PM
What I could suggest is trying to shift timings around or something so it doesnt have the too perfect playing sound
I have no excuse for my bad habit (copy&paste) :o I did work on that in slow tempo parts of the piece though.

BTW how did you end up with my old quote lol???
I liked it very much, and rephrased it emphasizing people not nature. It has its meaning, doesn't it?
Thanks for listening!

Nicole
06-07-2004, 04:33 PM
I have no excuse for my bad habit (copy&paste) :o I did work on that in slow tempo parts of the piece though.

I liked it very much, and rephrased it emphasizing people not nature. It has its meaning, doesn't it?
Thanks for listening!
Oh I see :) I didnt look at it very hard and just thought about the left out part, silly me. It makes sense now. Im glad you liked the saying.

DarwinKopp
06-07-2004, 04:39 PM
sfiks,

I really like it! Every phrase has something to offer.

The music fits the string quartet format like a glove, very idiomatic. I hear a Russian / Rimsky-Korsakov influence in there.

The 7/8/, 7/8, 9/8, 9/8 sequence is interesting. This pattern equals 32 eighth notes, which is the number of eigths in a regular four bar 4/4 phrase. So it's both odd and regular at the same time. Very cool. :cool:

I hear the sonata allergo form, but the secondary theme gets twisted around a lot. Is that your intention, or are you working through a rondo instead?

The only addition that comes to mind is to hear the final chord answered with all four instruments playing the tonic in their lowest register (or something like that) to really put a cap on a very nice movement.

Do you have the other movements written? I'd very much like to hear the whole work.

sfiks
06-07-2004, 07:35 PM
Garry,
I'm happy to be a part of the community. Sorry, I didn't reply right away(day job)

Did you write this?
Yes, I wrote that years ago, and it was never performed. First thought, that came to my mind upon receiving GPO 2 weeks ago, was - I should start with "naked" solo strings. I missed tremolo and con sordini of course. But what's a big deal? Pretend you never intended to use it. So I did it.

I could try applying an impulse to the piece for a comparison.
You could try, but after decoding from .mp3 to .wav, using reverb and then back to .mp3, IMO, it might lose even what it has now.

Also, could you tell us the solo string instrumentaion you used?

Here they are - my favorite performers(I love them as I'd love real people with all their strengths and weaknesses):
1st Violin: VIOLIN 3 GUARN ENS2, VIOLIN 3 GUARN PIZZ SOLO
2nd Violin: VIOLIN 2 STRAD ENS3, VIOLIN 2 STRAD PIZZ SOLO
Viola: VIOLA ENS3, VIOLA PIZZ SOLO
Cello: CELLO 1 ENS3, CELLO 1 PIZZ SOLO

Would you mind if this finds its way on the the GPO site?
Of course not. I would be just proud to be listed among so talented musicians.
Slava Fiks

sfiks
06-07-2004, 07:47 PM
probably a lot more help from the old mod wheel.
I agree, it's a real art to use right amount of that CC. In my hands it sounds too gipsy :D sometimes. I'll master that.
Thanks for listening.

sfiks
06-07-2004, 07:55 PM
IÕve found it very hard to be very convincing with solo strings, but parts of this are quite realistic.
That's why I wanted to start with them. If I manage, I'll manage the rest.
Thanks, I'm deeply touched by your lovely words. :)

sfiks
06-07-2004, 08:27 PM
I think that if you're looking to put these notes on the printed page and get live players to breathe life into it - you're well on your way.
So far I don't have any chances to offer that.


If you're looking to fool somone with this performance, then that's not going to happen without a lot more TLC to the MIDI data, including bowing and legato controllers....
There is only one controller for alternate bowing. If I may say so, bow up samples(I suspect they're the same as down, but with different offset) don't have much attack (at least in those instruments I used) to simulate spiccato/ricochet for example. BTW what does TLC stand for?
Thank you for your time and nice words.

sfiks
06-07-2004, 09:22 PM
Darwin,
thanks for taking the time to listen and so detailed analysis.

I hear a Russian / Rimsky-Korsakov influence in there.
May I dare to say Glinka - Kamarinskaya?


I hear the sonata allergo form, but the secondary theme gets twisted around a lot. Is that your intention, or are you working through a rondo instead?

I thought pure rondo would be boring. So I included some sonata's elements in tonal plan: C/a in first 2 themes, G/c in reprise (or 3rd rondo's refrain if you wish). Transformation of the 2nd theme, links between 2nd refrain and coda are also trying to fulfill that. Of course, there isn't much of a development to call it sonata allegro.


The only addition that comes to mind is to hear the final chord answered with all four instruments playing the tonic in their lowest register (or something like that) to really put a cap on a very nice movement.

Good idea, if that "Russian peasant" ;) coda didn't change lightness of the reprise.


Do you have the other movements written? I'd very much like to hear the whole work.
Yes, they're ready to be executed! That'll be a real challenge to put them together and not sound eclectic (you'll hear what I mean).

I was so glad to answer your questions. They show real professional interest and benevolence.
Slava

sfiks
02-05-2006, 03:12 PM
String Quartet. Finale. (http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=734959&t=4003)

Added link to a new version of the piece.

etLux
02-05-2006, 03:43 PM
Very fine writing on this, Slava -- solid development and strong use of color and contrast.

I enjoyed listening through this several times.

My best,

David
www.DavidSosnowski.com
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sfiks
02-05-2006, 05:06 PM
Thank you, David! I hope the "color" isn't too bright.
Regards,
Slava

etLux
02-05-2006, 07:08 PM
Thank you, David! I hope the "color" isn't too bright.
Lol... certainly not! But the varied techniques of ensemble amongst the strings, the varied voicings, etc., in this -- they serve well to keep the piece interesting and vibrant.

Best,

David.
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