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Elliott
09-10-2003, 10:30 AM
Hello, my name is Elliott and I am striving to become a film composer. I own a Triton ST88 Workstation/Sampler and would like to know if someone in this forum would be kind enough to answer several questions I have when it comes to a home studio setup to practice film scoring. Thanks for your time.

Daedalus
09-10-2003, 12:03 PM
Hi Elliott,

I\'m sure alot of folks here would love to help you out. What is it specifically that you would like to know?

Ben

Elliott
09-10-2003, 04:42 PM
Thanks. Well, I should tell you upfront that I am technologically challenged. I want to setup a home studio where I can, with a small budget, practice putting music to film without using my computer. I own a Triton Studio 88 key Workstation/Sampler, some cables, and that is it. I do not know what equipment is needed to do this or if it is possible at all without using my PC. I\'m hoping that some of you with more experience can tell me if what I want to do is practical or not. Thanks.

JudasCloud
09-10-2003, 11:24 PM
I\'m pretty sure you\'d need a computer for that...

Scott Cairns
09-11-2003, 07:01 AM
Elliott, in all sincerity you really should be learning how to make music on a computer. In the long run it will be easier, more efficient, more portable and probably cheaper too. Many established and older composers have been able to make the switch even coming from \"pen and paper\" backgrounds.

Think of it this way, by the time you bought all of the needed outboard gear, mixing desk etc and learnt how to use it all, you could have been using a computer sequencer for months already.

Even your Korg is a mini computer really, so if you can learn its interface there is no reason not to learn a sequencer.

If you want to get into film, producers and directors pretty much expect to hear top quality midi mock-ups. Your Korg wont give you this on its own.

Also, with a computer and sequencer, you\'ll be able to sync to picture that much easier if that is the career you want to pursue.

Furst
09-11-2003, 07:53 AM
Your Triton probably has a internal sequencer, and is capable of reading MTC (midi time code). So, you would need a VCR tape with SMPTE on one side, and production (dialog,etc.) on the other. You would then feed the side with the SMPTE code into a MOTU MTP AV (midi time piece), and the MTPAV will convert the audio time code coming in into MTC, which would then go to your Triton, and what ever sequence you have written will (should) play back in sync to picture every time.

This is the only way I know how to do this without a computer. This way of working is, however, about a decade old...and even then it was a poor man\'s work around. If you insist on working this way, I think a pencil, paper and stopwatch will be faster.

Hope I helped.

Elliott
09-11-2003, 04:38 PM
Thank you everyone for your honest responses. It\'s not that I don\'t want to use a computer it\'s just that someone at my local guitar center told me that unless I can repair my computer when it breaks then do not revolve my composing around a computer, so that statement really intimidated me. I am still learning what my Korg Triton is capable of. Well then I will learn to work with a computer. Does anyone have any suggestions on which type Ishould get? MAC or PC? What software should I buy, etc. Basically I need an A to Z list of what I need because the salespeople at the Guitar Center are too busy to take their time with me. Thanks again. Elliott

JudasCloud
09-11-2003, 05:43 PM
Suggestion 1) BUY A GOOD SOUNDCARD!! DON\'T BUY A CHEESY ECHO MIA MIDI! FOR THE LOVE OF ZEUS BUY A GOOD SOUNDCARD!!!!! DON\'T BE CHEAP ON THE SOUNDCARD!!!!! (like I was)

PolarBear
09-16-2003, 09:42 AM
JudasCloud, you perhaps you didn\'t see this, but people recommend the Echo for its price:

http://www.northernsounds.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=005729 (\"http://www.northernsounds.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=005729\")

Elliott, it is more a question what software you want to use, what features and options you want to have, how much money you want to spend (there is no limit once you started). Composing can be done on either Mac or PC, as software and samplers are availible for both. Sorry, there is no general buy-this-and-be-Hans-Zimmer-path.

And wow, I think your local guitar center should re-think if they want to sell anything or not. images/icons/shocked.gif

Houston Haynes
09-16-2003, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by PolarBear:
And wow, I think your local guitar center should re-think if they want to sell anything or not. images/icons/shocked.gif <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">No - GC wants to sell him a separate mixing desk, and outboard effects, and a hardward based sequencer, and a drum module, and sounds modules, and on and on... images/icons/wink.gif

Seriously - go to http://www.dawbox.com/ (\"http://www.dawbox.com/\") and get a good, cheap, tweaked system and get them to insatll the applications to go on it and focus on the music. You won\'t be sorry.

Nick Batzdorf
09-16-2003, 01:10 PM
It\'s not that I don\'t want to use a computer it\'s just that someone at my local guitar center told me that unless I can repair my computer when it breaks then do not revolve my composing around a computer, so that statement really intimidated me. I am still learning what my Korg Triton is capable of. Well then I will learn to work with a computer. Does anyone have any suggestions on which type Ishould get? MAC or PC? What software should I buy, etc. Basically I need an A to Z list of what I need because the salespeople at the Guitar Center are too busy to take their time with me. Thanks again. Elliott <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I would suggest staying from any store that compounds idiotic misinformation with a lack of interest in helping you. You need someone to spend a good half day with you, going through all the possibilities. Guitar Center Pro is one option, or you could find an independent consultant who isn\'t trying to sell you anything.

PolarBear
09-16-2003, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by B:
Of course there is, to be Zimmer you need to buy everything TWICE<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Huh? So why did he buy VSL only once and I gotta buy it twice?

B
09-16-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by PolarBear:
</font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by B:
Of course there is, to be Zimmer you need to buy everything TWICE<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Huh? So why did he buy VSL only once and I gotta buy it twice? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I was joking, see the graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif
Zimmer currently has 2 studios, one at Mediaventures and one at home and they have the same gear.
Oh never mind.

Brian

B
09-16-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by PolarBear:
Sorry, there is no general buy-this-and-be-Hans-Zimmer-path.
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Of course there is, to be Zimmer you need to buy everything TWICE graemlins/tounge_images/icons/smile.gif

Brian

joejoe
09-24-2003, 11:53 PM
It is absolutely ludicrous for anyone to suggest that you can\'t center your music around a computer. Don\'t let these guitar center sharks intimidate you.

By their logic, you should also know how to repair a hardware mixer, sequencer, sampler and keyboard.

With a computer you can at least back up all of your files and transfer everything to a NEW computer if you absolutely have to. But fixing one -- and building one, for that matter -- is really not difficult at all.

I\'m so annoyed by bast*rds who purposely give you misinformation in order to get you to pry open your wallet.