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Lewis
11-25-2002, 09:19 PM
Dear friends,

I would like some inspirational pictures of studio setups. I visitied Bill Browns website and got an idea about a professional setup. Could be great to have additional inspiraton - both from the pros and the upcoming pros - what does your setup look like? How do you organize your keyboard, mouse, screens, keys - lemme know if you know of a website -

Forever yours truly -

Chris

meeehoon
11-26-2002, 01:10 AM
Hiya...

I am not a pro and will never be a pro, but you can check out my amateur setup on my webpage,

http://www.geocities.com/yjunwong/ (\"http://www.geocities.com/yjunwong/\")

Goto \"Red Brick Studio\" and you can see a step by step construction of it...

Layter...
meeehoon

ed hamilton
11-26-2002, 02:16 AM
Lewis,
While I do not have pictures of my composing rig (the studio pix are on are web site),
I have made my own version of Hans Zimmers setup. (see keyboard mag two months ago)
All from the \"as is\" pile at ikea.

Its a big U shaped desk top (actually 2 pieces put together). My 88 note controller fits in perfect.
I have 2 12 space racks underneath on each side. 2 video monitors in front with Genelecs on the sides of them. Other computer monitors go in the left and right corner.

For under $100 for the desk I think its great.
http://www.ikea-usa.com/product_presentation/subcat.asp?id=438,435,433&pageSetUp=438,0,0 (\"http://www.ikea-usa.com/product_presentation/subcat.asp?id=438,435,433&pageSetUp=438,0,0\")
These are very expensive if bought new but the tops turn up in the \"as is\" pile all the time.

So in a small space I have a Pro tools rig with dual monitors in front of me.
One giga computer monitor to the left. One to the far right. And my laptop running soft synths of to the side

Its getting good!!!

Hudson
11-26-2002, 09:49 AM
I think a \"professional\" setup may be overstating the issue. It\'s more of a common sense/ergonomical matter and depends wholly on the space you have to work with and how you prefer to work.
-Hudson


Originally posted by Lewis:
Dear friends,

I would like some inspirational pictures of studio setups. I visitied Bill Browns website and got an idea about a professional setup. Could be great to have additional inspiraton - both from the pros and the upcoming pros - what does your setup look like? How do you organize your keyboard, mouse, screens, keys - lemme know if you know of a website -

Forever yours truly -

Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">

Lewis
11-26-2002, 04:05 PM
Simon. Is it possible you could take a shot of your current setup? I really need the inspiration!

Love - Chris

Simon Ravn
11-26-2002, 04:16 PM
Lewis, sure I could - but my setup is very inconvinient, that is why I\'ve been looking for a new solution:)

Lewis
11-26-2002, 04:21 PM
Hmmmm... I think this is an interesting setup - even though it doesnt show the whole deal.

http://www.pigpendigital.com/studio/flatstation.jpg (\"http://www.pigpendigital.com/studio/flatstation.jpg\")

The problem here is that the keyboard is in front of the keys. I would hate to play like that. I think the biggest problem is actually getting both keys, mouse and motherkeyboard within distance of reach.

I wanna go back to the old trackers - where I just printed dots with the mouse. No damn keys around. Just me - the puter and some nasty 8bit mono stuff.

I still think Bill Browns setup is the best I have seen sofar.

Simon. Another question for you. I take for granted you use several puters for gigastudio. Do you have keyboard and mouseaccess to both of them - from range of playing motherkeyboard - or is one/two of the computers just loaded with a setup?

Love - Chris

Simon Ravn
11-26-2002, 04:46 PM
Lewis, I have three machines for GS and one for Korg OASYS - I use a KVM switch and one mouse+keyboard+monitor for those 4 machines, so I only use two monitors in all at the moment.

Mike Auty
11-26-2002, 04:59 PM
This might be a bit of inspiration for some of you:

http://homepage.mac.com/mauty/mike-desk.jpg (\"http://homepage.mac.com/mauty/mike-desk.jpg\")

It\'s not quite done yet though; I plan to ditch the CRT and put a shelf in between the speakers to hold a couple LCD\'s instead. Then there will be a bit more desk space for the keyboard and possibly a LC XT when I rob my next bank... images/icons/smile.gif

Lewis
11-26-2002, 06:12 PM
Two Questions to Simon and Mike.

1. Simon - what kind of tables are you using? I mean - in which heighth is your keyboard and keys located? How is it organized? Please I need pictures! Please please!

2. Mike - is your tables custom build? It seems to fit perfectly around the keys? Nice setup btw!

Love - Chris

PolarBear
11-26-2002, 07:26 PM
I\'ve got a question, too: Why do most of you turn the speakers by 45 degree or something like that? Don\'t you get a \"wrong\" stereo image with this / phasing problems when listening to your music?

I\'d turn my speakers instead of
\\---/ to I---I if you know what I mean?

I don\'t see any sense in turning them in a certain degree...

Thanks for enlightenment!

Hansi

ed hamilton
11-26-2002, 10:19 PM
Simon,
I will try and borrow a digital camera this week and post some pix.

Really it looks just like Hans Zimmers setup.
Only I slide my 88 note controller under the table top so that just the keys are sticking out.
This lets me put my mouse and keyboard on a flat surface right in front of me. Better for the wrists.

ed

Lewis
11-27-2002, 12:24 AM
Thx for the Ikea setup. I am thinking about that \"horseshoe\" solution, but not all Ikeas sell the solution mentioned it seems. I will have a look into it. I would like to get more information about the optimal setup.

I can see that bill brown just has one motherkeyboard and keyboard/mouse on the keys. It does look a little stashy, but I bet its hardcore effective. It seems that the ultimate setup is also about the distance between the different units. Mouse/keyboard and keys need to be close to eachother and bill browns setup seems cool in that aspect. However I would like to know/see other setups. Does anybody have their keyboard UNDER the table - so they can like pull it back and forth?

Love - Chris

sŲnke
11-27-2002, 12:45 AM
hi,
you might like this link
Gear Watching - A look at people\'s Studio Setups (\"http://www.midiwall.com/gear/gearpics.html\")

Simon Ravn
11-27-2002, 12:46 AM
Ed, is it possible for you to take some pictures of your setup? I have been looking at improving mine for over a year now - I was trying to get it custom built at one point, but it didn\'t pan out - I am still looking for a way for me to have the keyboard controller in front of me while composing and not to my right as it is now!

stevefu
11-27-2002, 02:42 AM
This is Michael Giacchino\'s setup (Medal of Honor, Alias):

http://www.music4games.net/images/mgiacchino_studiopic.jpg (\"http://www.music4games.net/images/mgiacchino_studiopic.jpg\")

Bruce A. Richardson
11-27-2002, 03:10 AM
Here\'s how I\'ve set up (scroll about halfway down the page).

Everything is right within reach, or within a whirlaround in the chair. The 88-key controller is centered between both the nearfields and mid-fields, and the keyboards/mice/DAW monitor is right there. The midfields are cantilevered from the wall on hardcore TV mounting arms. The board is to my left as I\'m working, and the giga monitor is there to the right of the keyboard. The monitor/keyboard/mouse on the stand in the foreground of the picture acutally sits behind me, and this machine does e-mail, correspondence, and serves as a second Giga machine. There are three more computers in another office room, networked to the ones in the picture. The computers (which you can see in the corner) are in an IsoRaxx cabinet, which really helps keep things quiet. Hard to see, but there\'s a rack of reverbs, compressors, and FX under the board. The stand hardware is standard A-frame USS.

This is perfect for me, because I hate clutter and don\'t want any surfaces or desktop to catch stuff. I want the work atmosphere to just be me and the machines. I broke down and bought an Aeron chair because my back was starting to hurt when I\'d work long hours. That was one of my best decisions--it\'s really great.

Lewis
11-27-2002, 04:09 AM
Bruce - sounds excellent. But instead of writing tons of lines - I need that flashy photo. You are welcome to add lensflare in photoshop if you want. Id actually prefer that. But if you dont know how to - at least post the photo man. Your killin me here with your killer setup.

Love - Chris

PeterRoos
11-27-2002, 04:26 AM
I don\'t think Bruce will object if I post the URL of his acoustic makeover article on the ProRec site:

http://www.prorec.com./prorec/articles.nsf/articles/D51DA0B4344E508386256C190080663A (\"http://www.prorec.com./prorec/articles.nsf/articles/D51DA0B4344E508386256C190080663A\")

Photo included.

Cheers,

Lewis
11-27-2002, 07:17 AM
Thx Peter - good info!

Now I have a question about switching. Simon mentioned he uses a KVM-switch (I wonder if you could tell me which model please. As I might wanna go for the same solution).

What KVM-switches do you guyz use?`

Love - Chris

PeterRoos
11-27-2002, 08:04 AM
I have 4 PC\'s on an analog/passive switch. This is rather lousy, because I sometimes loose control of the mouse on my XP machine and because it introduces quite some video \"echos\". This is mainly a VGA extension cable quality issue, as it depends on which PC I have selected. But, this is also a very cheap solution, the switch cost me only some 20 euro I guess.

Peter

Bruce A. Richardson
11-27-2002, 11:01 AM
Oops!!!

Thanks for posting that URL, Peter. I copied it and forgot to paste it.

First sign of old age...

Lewis
11-27-2002, 11:04 AM
Hehehe. Well Bruce imagine this. I dont even know how to setup a studio - first sign of NO age, which I think is worse. So enjoy your experience and enjoy the fact - that you forget so fast. Its sometimes said - we always remember the bad things in life. Guess thats solved on your behalf.

Love Chris

I just wonder whether to go using KWM-switch or not.

mschiff
11-27-2002, 01:03 PM
Here\'s mine. The desk is a very inexpensive computer desk that was just perfect for my needs.

http://www.cdsol.com/cdsol/downloads/studio.jpg (\"http://www.cdsol.com/cdsol/downloads/studio.jpg\")

I recently added Auralex Mopads under the monitors and stood them up. The Mopads isolate them from the desk, and angle them better towards my viewing position.

Like Bruce, I use a Herman Miller chair, but not the Aeron. I got mine used for $25 [smile].

-- Martin

Rob Elliott
11-27-2002, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by stevefu:
This is Michael Giacchino\'s setup (Medal of Honor, Alias):

http://www.music4games.net/images/mgiacchino_studiopic.jpg (\"http://www.music4games.net/images/mgiacchino_studiopic.jpg\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I like this one the best. Of course, it\'s probably custom and costs the most!@!#!@!

I don\'t like to \'lean\' over a computer keyboard to get to the controller. Doing as he does lookes more comfortable. What do others think?

I have the Omniraxx (version that has racks turned in 35-40 degrees with a flat surface for the controller. The problem is - where do I stick the SX and giga mouses and keyboards?? I thought about fabricating a \'fill-in\' flat surface just behind my controller. Anyone else have this furniture?

Rob

dwdonehoo
11-27-2002, 03:14 PM
Hmmm. My setup looks more complex than most, which surprises me.
First chance I get I am getting dual monitors to double Windows desktop space. Meanwhile I have the 76 key controller in front of me with the computer keyboard in a drawer underneath. Above are the monitors. Right hand has the mouse, the left the four system KVM switch and transport, and above the keyboard the Peavy MIDI control surface. To my left is about 7 feet of fully loaded rack, which I plan to expand. To the left of that is a kybd stand with the Korg DW8000 and DSS1. Destop space is in short supply, but I need little of that.
When we get around to doing the Chance Thomas interview, I will have a picture of his studio, which rivals that of Bill Brown. Still, I have my own ideas of the best ergo studio setup.

Simon Ravn
11-27-2002, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:
Thx Peter - good info!

Now I have a question about switching. Simon mentioned he uses a KVM-switch (I wonder if you could tell me which model please. As I might wanna go for the same solution).

What KVM-switches do you guyz use?`

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I use a 4-port switch from www.trendware.com (\"http://www.trendware.com\") - it runs passively, and I can see that I get some interference that way, but as long as it\'s just for GS I dont mind. It is pretty subtle. It can be used actively too by adding power to it - I havent tried that so I don\'t know if that fixes the interference situation. You\'ll always get ghosting when you got above 10-15 meter RGB/VGA cables - I only use 2-3meter cables.

mschiff
11-27-2002, 04:42 PM
I use a Cybex Switchview OSD KVM switch at work for 4 machines, including a giga machine, two servers and a Mackie d8B console. The cabling to the Giga machine is about 25 feet and there is no problem at all with ghosting. I\'m using a 17\" Dell flat panel monitor for the display.

-- Martin

dwdonehoo
11-27-2002, 05:23 PM
\"I\'m using a 17\" Dell flat panel monitor for the display.\"

...and that may be the reason you are not getting ghosting. I have a little on all KVM systems, but some KVMs are worse than others. I suspect flat screens are not as prone to this, and another reason I will go flat for my future dual monitor setup.

Lewis
11-27-2002, 07:35 PM
Well. I still wonder friends. I need your personal opinions here. Should I go for a KVM switch or grab that second monitor have a VIEW of the cockpit?

All advices are helpfull - so just fire off what YOU think - what YOU want.

Love - Chris

Michiel Post
11-28-2002, 11:20 AM
I had the same problems
Below is my studio
when I needed KVM switches (\"http://stkitts.globat.com/~postpiano.com/images/Need%20KVM%20switch%20here.jpg\")

and then I built it all into a small cabinet:
problems solved! (\"http://stkitts.globat.com/~postpiano.com/images/My%20latest%20studio%20setup.jpg\") 3 PC\'s in a small box!

MP

JohnnyP
11-28-2002, 02:21 PM
Lewis,


Originally posted by Lewis:
Well. I still wonder friends. I need your personal opinions here. Should I go for a KVM switch or grab that second monitor have a VIEW of the cockpit?

All advices are helpfull - so just fire off what YOU think - what YOU want.

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Well I couldn\'t afford another moniter or cinema disply after getting my soundchaser giga box images/icons/shocked.gif .
I use a KVM swithcher by Geffen. It\'s cool, about $300 and connects my PC and Mac togehter. I have had it for a year and all my clients who come to my home studio are very impressed or shocked to know I use TWO computers on their project with one monitor. Geffen, like the other companies mentioned in this thread make several devices for computers in Media but seem to specialize in the multi port busess.

Happy thanksgiving

Mike Auty
11-28-2002, 04:46 PM
Yea man, custom built. Many hours in the garage toiling over it!! It\'s all laminated particle board, with pine trim to make it pretty. Not rocket science construction... images/icons/smile.gif

Good luck.


Originally posted by Lewis:
Two Questions to Simon and Mike.

1. Simon - what kind of tables are you using? I mean - in which heighth is your keyboard and keys located? How is it organized? Please I need pictures! Please please!

2. Mike - is your tables custom build? It seems to fit perfectly around the keys? Nice setup btw!

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">

Lewis
11-28-2002, 11:23 PM
Mike and Michel.

Your setups are just outstanding. You REALLY pulled if off Michel. I think your setup is actually what I am aiming for. Simplicity by all means. I might go for two monitors though - side by side. But these case you have there is to die for. Did you make it yourself - or did you get a professional to do it? Craftman?

Love - Chris

lamooreus
11-30-2002, 02:28 PM
Here\'s a link to my website news page, where I\'ve included a picture of my workstation. Everything is ergonomically tweaked and easy to get to.
http://www.lenniemoore.com/current.html (\"http://www.lenniemoore.com/current.html\")

Lewis
12-02-2002, 10:15 AM
Nice job there. But having your keyboard UNDER the table is not a good idea - in term of ergonomic thoughts. I had this in mind myself, but an ergonomic expert told me thats the worst solution. Everything needs to be in the RIGHT height. Its not like we work best in low and high levels at the same time. Anyway. Since you are prolly not gonna write a novel on it - I guess its no problem.

I am slowly realizing what my setup should be like. I love the thought of switches - on the other hand I want to have instant access to the screen - so I might go for a few small screens in that aspect.

I think Bruce really mentioned the most important point of all. Seating! Good chairs are expensive. I tried one the other day, which was around 2000$ - it was worth every penny (when I can afford it).

Second important issue is choice of monitor. The new Sony flatscreens are amazing. So clear, so gentle, so perfect in every aspect. Flat is the way to go - so much better looking and so much better to look at.

I am flat!

Love - Chris

PolarBear
12-02-2002, 10:44 AM
Lewis, so you would say an organ is a very bad case, having the different highs of claviatures...

I\'m looking for a good solution yet. IMO it really depends a lot on what you actually do with your keyboard, if you use 1, 2 or more interfaces. Very individual. Some people like to have 2 or more screens on desk, also a factor how to place the keyboard. Being a piano player, I have to say it is not the right solution to have it ON the desk. But others like it that way.

I\'d lend a pillar and test if you don\'t know which height is best for you. Also consider mouse and (computer) keyboard should be reachable for you...

Hansi

Bruce A. Richardson
12-02-2002, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:

I think Bruce really mentioned the most important point of all. Seating! Good chairs are expensive. I tried one the other day, which was around 2000$ - it was worth every penny (when I can afford it). <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">The Aeron Chair (Herman Miller) is actually a very reasonably priced chair--about $600 street price. You can spend more, but the Aeron is extremely nice for the price, ergonomically excellent, and is good looking as well. People always notice it right away.

Brian W. Ralston
12-04-2002, 03:05 PM
Here are some photos of my studio setup. Sorry the photos are a little large in size in the slide show. When I get time I will reduce them.

My Studio Pics - \"Studio74\" (\"http://homepage.mac.com/brianralston/studio74/PhotoAlbum8.html\")

Rob Elliott
12-04-2002, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Brian W. Ralston:
Here are some photos of my studio setup. Sorry the photos are a little large in size in the slide show. When I get time I will reduce them.

My Studio Pics - \"Studio74\" (\"http://homepage.mac.com/brianralston/studio74/PhotoAlbum8.html\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Brian,

I have the same Omniraxx furniture - while I really love the ergonomics of it (allowing 2 19\" screens to be directly in front of you) - my controller is too high (Yamaha P-300). I am looking a \'slimer\' controller that has a terrific piano feel and at least two wheel controllers to boot. Any suggestions?

How did mount that larger monitor in the background?

Rob

Brian W. Ralston
12-04-2002, 04:09 PM
The 27\" Monitor in the back is mounted on a frame I made with my father (who is a wookworker). It is simple and strong (has to be with SoCal earthquakes).

As far as the controller goes.......umm......not sure what to recommend to look at. I am fairly tall and everything for me seems to sit at about the right height. I am not sure how tall you are. I also had Omnirax custom make the desk for me.........\"semi-custom\" actually. They stretched a commander and made a couple other modifications to my liking.

images/icons/smile.gif

Lewis
12-04-2002, 06:37 PM
Nice setups again. But whats all that red colour about? Dont feel captivated in a submarine - or is that just the natural look for you? I am trying to make mine with soft trendy looking white lights.

What I am learning is that the actual LOOK of the studio influences me alot more then I thought. I just bought new keys (black logitech keyboards and mouse) and its just NICER now. More delicate.

Hmmmmm... This setup business is HUGE! In the beginning I thought it was only about being practical. But now I seem to get weird elements like \"looks\", \"aestethics\" in my mind!

Where is the world coming to!?

Love - Chris

thesoundsmith
12-04-2002, 07:06 PM
RE: KVMs and keyboard positioning-

How you set up your monitors and keyboards depends almost entirely on how you work. My Mac keyboard and Mackie console/24 tk keyboards are both perfectly happy being below decks and out of the way, I\'m not going to court carpal tunnel by typing the occasional filenam and pressing the start/rewind/record keys, although when I start editing my audio tracks the Mac keys (for DP) need to be at \'operational\' height (standard desk height) I share the Mackioe console and HDR on a 2-port KVM switch, the Mac used to be there too, but I found that I had to switch too often between console and Mac when editing tracks, so I bought a used Belkin KVM switch on eBay for $21 and it works great.

My GS machine, mastering/outboard apps computer and day gig work machine share the 4-port Belkin KVM ($36 from eBay including cables) with no problem (and last month, between my wife\'s machine, my daughter\'s (which I was rebuilding) and my studio boxes I had nine computers going! Five keyboards in a 3 x 8 foor desk space! I have started calling my newest box, the all-purpose machine, 7 of 9!) images/icons/grin.gif

But now I have 3 keyboards and 2 KVMs, and it works beautifully! The non-Mackie computers are networked to share data, my Mac has DSL along with my PCs and my wife\'s (802.11b wireless) iMac and most of my keyboard recording is contolled on my Kurz 2500, the lowest A to C set up in DP for stop, rewind, play & record. THe mackie KVM has a wireless keyboard/mouse, so I just set them aside when not in use. Voila...

Only took me four configuration tries to get it right!

But nobody else can figure it out images/icons/rolleyes.gif !

Dasher

Brian W. Ralston
12-05-2002, 03:17 AM
But whats all that red colour about? Dont feel captivated in a submarine - or is that just the natural look for you? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I have a couple red lights in the room. I also have soft white lighting I can use. When I am mixing and playing \"tech\" I like to have the room dimmed with little glare in the monitors. But there are times when I need a lot of light and I can do that too. The room is not quite as red as the photos....they seem to be red shifted a little......and when the room is dimmed.....I have a lot of light shining where it needs to be. I like it a lot.


What I am learning is that the actual LOOK of the studio influences me alot more then I thought. I just bought new keys (black logitech keyboards and mouse) and its just NICER now. More delicate.

Hmmmmm... This setup business is HUGE! In the beginning I thought it was only about being practical. But now I seem to get weird elements like \"looks\", \"aestethics\" in my mind!
<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Since my home studio is where I work on EVERYTHING at the moment....it has to serve many functions. 1) Be useful, easy to use, functional, etc.... If it is a pain in the arse to use....the creative process gets haulted.
2) This is the primary place I meet with directors and or clients to discuss demos, spotting etc.....so the room in my opinion has to have an aesthetic appeal that says \"hey, this guy really loves movies\". Actually....mine is probably more like \"this guy really loves Disney.\" I have a directors chair in the room for the directors to sit in when they are with me. (I think they just like sitting higher than me).
3) Personally.....I want my work place to be inspirational. I love the fact that I can look around...see all the animation drawings, statues, lava lamps, etc....and when I am having a episode of writers block....I can just sit and think and soak up what the room is giving me. images/icons/smile.gif If the room were bigger, i would have more in there.....but I have pretty much filled it up. Nothing like looking over at a E. Bernstein signed page 1 score copy of THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, or an J. Williams autographed Episode 1 poster to remind you why I wanted to get into this business in the first place.

I love this stuff!

Lewis
12-05-2002, 05:38 AM
Hehehe. I think I can live without the signed posters here. But I love your way of describing the room in context to your work. Personally I am aiming for a solution thats half-between functional and aestethical. Its all about taste. I find it very inspiring to have a design thats functional and beautyful at the same time. Its a hard nut to find the right in-between. SO far my lesson has been:

1. Chair and monitors are IMPORTANT. Chair is the placement of this \"thing\" they call a body - and monitor is the \"chair\" for our eyes. Dont EVER let down on either. Flatscreens ALL the way (Sony - black).

2. Key-levels. Everything needs to be in order of reach. There are many solution. Some prefer their keyboard (writing) below, beyound, upper or lower level. But the actual keys (playing) should be in the perfect level. Meaning - whats best for ones body and poisure. Its a BAD thing to have the keyboard UNDER the table (due to two ergonomic experts I have consulted).

3. Inspiration. The setup needs to be simple, clean, cool looking and functional. I actually think the \"clean\" issue is important. So many mini-studios look like an adult playground.

4. Materials. The best setups are custom-made - and the best custom made setups I have seen are done in nice, beautyfull materials. Alot of the secrets actually have to do with \"store-away\". Get those loud monsters out of the way. Apply proper cooling system and put the whole farm in a close box or something.

5. Improved composer. All in all. The physical room surrounding us do influence us as composers. No doubt. I think there is actually too little debate about this. We seem to let ourselves be consumed about our minds - and leave this shoulder holster called a \"body\" on its own.

Did I forget something?

Love - Chris

Marsdy
12-05-2002, 02:55 PM
I\'ve found a really good Swedish supplier of studio furniture. They go by the name of Ikea!!!!

They make an office/computer table called Jerker (sic), at least they call it that in the UK. It\'s perfect for 2 to 3 CRT/LCD monitors, synth and PC/Mac keyboards and mice etc. You can also get little shelf extensions that are perfect for a pair of speakers. Everything is height adjustable and the speaker shelves can be angled in.

Links below to a Jerker in my studio images/icons/grin.gif
http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio01.jpg (\"http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio01.jpg\")
http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio02.jpg (\"http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio02.jpg\")
http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio03.jpg (\"http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio03.jpg\")
http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio04.jpg (\"http://www.btinternet.com/~marsdy/studio04.jpg\")

Lewis
12-05-2002, 05:49 PM
Wow! Thats a nice nice setup! I did visit Ikea and had no luck with their furniture in relation to studio setup. All though I thought about buying two glass tables and create a corner like setup.

But how is it to have a keyboard in front of the piano keys? You have to STRETCH to play right? Thats not a good thing for your back - but tell me - does it work?

Love - Chris

Lewis
12-05-2002, 05:53 PM
Btw. I love the fact the many of the studios all have the a Virus. I cant live without mine. Its the best synth ever made - I dare to say. Virus, Korg\'s Karma, maybe the analogue killer machine from Alesis - and man is settled on the synths - for now...

Love - Chris

Marsdy
12-05-2002, 06:35 PM
Hi Chris

I really don\'t find it a problem having the Mac keyboard in front of the synth keyboard. The computer keyboard easily fits within the length of your forearm if that makes sense so there\'s no question of stretching or reaching over to reach the synth keyboard. I didn\'t find this the case if I arranged the Mac keyboard behind the synth keyboard. The plus side is that everything is within easy reach and I don\'t have to stretch to reach the equipment I use most. If you\'re still not convinced then give it a try!

Totally agreed about the Virus BTW.

Lewis
12-05-2002, 08:14 PM
Hmmmmm... I might wanna visit Ikea again to check out their stuff. I am not sure about the keyboard issue. Im gonna have to think of that. I would like a non-gravity keyboard that I could just pull down from the air. Maybe I will put my keyboard in chains - hmmm... have to think about that...

Problem on my account is that I use new black logitech keys - and they are somehow larger then mac keys. Which gives a problem in relation the forearm issue. Any advice on that one - oh wise one?

Love - Chris

Relayer
12-05-2002, 09:28 PM
Check out this 3.2SS Midi Workstation from M Rack. It\'s got a sliding keyboard and a sliding desk shelf.

http://www.mrack.com.au/32ssmidi.htm (\"http://www.mrack.com.au/32ssmidi.htm\")

This is exactly what I have been looking for although I\'d order it without the 4RU rack pods. But, it\'s an Australian company and the freight to the US (or Europe) would be prohibitive. I hope they have (or establish) a US distributor.

Jake Johnson
12-06-2002, 12:21 AM
I\'ll have to vote for Michael Giacchino\'s setup, too. The great thing is that it lets him use the top of the desk if needs a writing surface. coupled with a wireless keyboard, this is a great setup. The best feature, to me, is the wide drawer for the controller. Does anyone know where a desk with such a wide drawer can be found?

(And am confused, or are his monitors hung on chains from the ceiling? Any thoughts about the viability of this? It would reduce additional vibrations, absorbtions, and reflections from the tabletop, but wouldn\'t those chains rattle?)

Robert Kral
12-06-2002, 12:27 AM
Keep in mind, folks, the height of your computer monitors. Some aren\'t bothered by monitors being a lot higher than their music keyboards, but a few years back I tried a product that had the monitors up higher and it didn\'t take too long before I had a sore neck.

Now, I look for ways to keep the computer monitors as LOW as possible. Most furniture I\'ve seen has the monitors too high. Anything on a shelf ABOVE the music keyboard is too high for me. I have found that Argosy and KK Audio are two companies that are both mindful of the importance of a very low profile when it comes to monitors.

My advice to you if you\'re planning on buying furniture with computer monitors higher, on a shelf etc, find out the specs, place your monitors up at the same height for a few days before buying, and decide how your neck feels!

Cool thread, by the way. I get my KK AUDIO furniture in about a week. Maybe I\'ll post pix around Christmas time!

Didier Rachou
12-06-2002, 12:44 AM
\"Argosy and KK Audio\"

I own both (Argosy for my now unused Mackie 32/8 and KK for my main workspace) and am very happy with them. KK was DEFINITELY the way forward. Worth every penny.

Robert, I am psyched for you as I cannot express how much of a joy it has been working on my new KK desk for the past 2 months. I opted for a big flat worksurface in order to keep the cpu montor low as well.

KK was well worth the wait. Kurt and Sandy are always a pleasure to deal with and he really takes pride in his work. The quality is top notch and affordable.

Regards,
Didier

Robert Kral
12-06-2002, 02:58 AM
Didier,

Thanks! I actually labored over the choice between KK and Argosy. The Argosy stuff is very well thought out, they show a lot of sensible design features. In the end though, KK\'s big plus was having racks underneath the console, which Argosy can\'t do (even though their Dual 15K is a keyboard desk that does have 24 or more rack spaces, but their mixer consoles don\'t).

The other thing I heard more than once was KK is much more solid. They also customize anything, for not that much more money than Argosy. Being local was handy for me: I went to the workshop, picked out wood colors, looked at options etc.

With KK I can order stuff now, customize it, and order more later and have it all match. Of course, they aint as cheap as IKEA, but you only need to see any of their furniture for yourself to see how great it is.

Letir
12-06-2002, 04:41 AM
I agree KK\'s stuff is great.
He build a custom desk for me (it took him 3months)
http://homepage.mac.com/letir/PhotoAlbum9.html (\"http://homepage.mac.com/letir/PhotoAlbum9.html\")

Lewis
12-06-2002, 10:25 AM
My god! Thats some nice setups! But I live in Europe and I am not sure we have any studio designers here - besides from Ikea. Hehehe. Unless somebody else know some. Anybody?!

Love - Chris

Hasen
12-06-2002, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Letir:
I agree KK\'s stuff is great.
He build a custom desk for me (it took him 3months)
http://homepage.mac.com/letir/PhotoAlbum9.html (\"http://homepage.mac.com/letir/PhotoAlbum9.html\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Now that looks damn nice, Letir! The keyboard is right in front of you AND its at the right height. I have my keyboard on the left of me on its stand and while I would of course prefer it in front of me, as a pianist I wouldn\'t be satisfied with it at the wrong height.

Nuno Fonseca
12-06-2002, 11:52 AM
To be honest, i became in love with the KM Studio Systems Consoles, when i saw them in the steinberg stand in the 112AES in Munich.

Some day i will have to buy one of those:

http://www.kmstudiosystems.com/CWC.html (\"http://www.kmstudiosystems.com/CWC.html\")

Hasen
12-06-2002, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Nuno Fonseca:
To be honest, i became in love with the KM Studio Systems Consoles, when i saw them in the steinberg stand in the 112AES in Munich.

Some day i will have to buy one of those:

http://www.kmstudiosystems.com/CWC.html (\"http://www.kmstudiosystems.com/CWC.html\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">*drools*

Well I\'m trying to drool but I can\'t seem to click on the pictures for a closer look. images/icons/frown.gif

Lewis
12-06-2002, 01:51 PM
Arh! Its a swedish company! Superb! I am gonna call them right away! Thx Nuno! Your a darling! I love their setups - just what I want. Hope pricelevels are Ikea standard. Hehehe. NOT!

Love - Chris

JDK Music
12-06-2002, 02:02 PM
After years of trying different setups, I finally gave up and built my own (see below). My main keyboard controller is still a Kurzweil 250 (I know, I know, but I really like the feel of the keyboard). The shelf above the 250 slides up and out of the way for when I need to access the 250 controls.

Cost about $150 in materials - took about a day to build.

http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1 (\"http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1\")

Lewis
12-06-2002, 02:13 PM
Thats a VERY nice setup. I find the levels and setup very nicely designed. Inspiring! Now you only need same coloured keyboards and flatscreen monitors. The old wood is to die for! That stuff will make u a better composer! I have no doubts.

Love - Chris

JDK Music
12-06-2002, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:
Thats a VERY nice setup. I find the levels and setup very nicely designed. Inspiring! Now you only need same coloured keyboards and flatscreen monitors. The old wood is to die for! That stuff will make u a better composer! I have no doubts.

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Thanks. I played with the height levels for a while before I found what worked best for me. As for the old wood - it\'s actually new wood with some stain and a few coats of poly on it (so as to match the rest of the wood in the control room).

I actually thought about flat-screen monitors but (aside from the cost) the K250 is a pretty deep keyboard (the K250 actually is almost touching the wall underneath the monitors), so I wouldn\'t have added any space by using flat screens.

Ian Livingstone
12-09-2002, 02:06 AM
www.mediathemes.co.uk (\"http://www.mediathemes.co.uk\")

here\'s another one - complete with 3D tour of the studio (requires quicktime).

Ian

Lewis
12-09-2002, 05:16 AM
Woaw! Fancy! In flash!

Closer to being a real studio - then a home studio. Its actually funny when I think of it. Most setups I have seen so far are somewhere in between. Seems like they are \"home based\" studios. But they are not \"home studios\" in the litterary sense. Confusing!

Anyway! Thats one mighty fine setup ya got there. But I still dont understand HOW you can have the keys in front of the keyboards. Stretching that far is only for Yoga freaks!

Love - Chris

Lewis
12-09-2002, 05:20 AM
Btw. Beautyful tracks on the website. I love the Alan Silvestri vs. John Williams Bounty Hunter tracks. Nice work man! Nice brasses! Nice nice!

Love - Chris

Ian Livingstone
12-09-2002, 06:10 AM
Chris - thanks. It\'s Ikea furntire btw, with a couple of cheap 12U racks from Studiospares with added casters.

> HOW you can have the keys in front of the
> keyboards.

It\'s not ideal I know, but best solution I\'ve found so far ergo-wise.

Someone needs to bring out an 8 octave keyboard with built in QWERTY USB keypad - now that would be cool!

> Btw. Beautyful tracks on the website

cheers :-)

Ian

Lewis
12-09-2002, 06:19 AM
While we are at it. How did you create those nasty biting bass trombones or deep frenchs on the Bounty Hunter tracks?

Love - Chris

Ian Livingstone
12-09-2002, 06:32 AM
It was a combination of:-

Dan Dean solo brass (Bass Trombone and Tuba)
Dan Dean brass ensembles
Sam Horns

Ian

Lewis
12-09-2002, 09:19 AM
Ok! Nasty combo there. How many dedicated gigastudio pc\'s did you use for those recordings? You must have quite a few - or you like bouncing?

Love - Chris

Ian Livingstone
12-09-2002, 09:54 AM
4 PCs - 3 dedicated to giga (Strings / Wind, Brass, and Choir) and 1 running cubase with Kontakt and HALion doing the giga/akai percussion.

Ian

Lewis
12-09-2002, 11:31 AM
Hmmmmm... Nice devices... Thats EXACTLY the setup im dreaming about! May I ask the specs of the dedicated giga pc\'s? Today you really cant get anything under 2ghz and maybe its a good idea to keep all investments like that (seen in regards of future and more demanding releases - gigastudio 3.0). What your opponion on that?

Love - Chris

Bruce A. Richardson
12-09-2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Lewis:
Hmmmmm... Nice devices... Thats EXACTLY the setup im dreaming about! May I ask the specs of the dedicated giga pc\'s? Today you really cant get anything under 2ghz and maybe its a good idea to keep all investments like that (seen in regards of future and more demanding releases - gigastudio 3.0). What your opponion on that?

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Chris,

I\'ll jump in on that. I have never gone wrong buying fast, stripped-down machines for my work, whether it\'s a pre-built or self-rolled.

If you get a 2 GHZ or faster machine with 7200 RPM, 8 MB cache drives, and a good chunk of memory, you\'re set. GigaStudio is currently not a huge CPU eater, but that could change with additional features in the future. These days, I\'d also suggest getting a DVD-ROM drive, since many sample producers have indicated this will be a primary delivery system. Go dirt cheap on all other aspects of the system (except cooling), and you\'re home free.

For an audio interface, I\'m depending more and more on Echo products. Case in point, my old Layla 20s (I have three of them) are STILL being supported with new drivers!! This is a sound card that appeared in 1998!!! Not only do the drivers get better and better, now there\'s actually a driver model called \"PureWave\" which allows you to run ASIO-based apps without using ASIO. This means you can simultaneously use your Giga machines to run FM-7, Pro-53, B-4, and any other ASIO-based standalone synth alongside GigaStudio!!!

For my money, that rocks pretty hard.

Daedalus
12-09-2002, 05:32 PM
Ian,

Very nice compositions. Your website is not too shabby either. images/icons/wink.gif

Ben Ripley

SOD213
12-09-2002, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by JDK Music:
After years of trying different setups, I finally gave up and built my own (see below). My main keyboard controller is still a Kurzweil 250 (I know, I know, but I really like the feel of the keyboard). The shelf above the 250 slides up and out of the way for when I need to access the 250 controls.

Cost about $150 in materials - took about a day to build.

http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1 (\"http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">That looks like something I\'d want to build, happen to have the plans still? images/icons/wink.gif

JamesGrote
12-09-2002, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Ian Livingstone:
Chris - thanks. It\'s Ikea furntire btw, with a couple of cheap 12U racks from Studiospares with added casters.

> HOW you can have the keys in front of the
> keyboards.

It\'s not ideal I know, but best solution I\'ve found so far ergo-wise.

Someone needs to bring out an 8 octave keyboard with built in QWERTY USB keypad - now that would be cool!

> Btw. Beautyful tracks on the website

cheers :-)

Ian<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Nice setup Ian. I\'m a big fan of IKEA as well. I\'m using the Jerker desk. I love the complete height adjustability for the desk and shelves.

What I would love to find is a full 88note controller with MINI-keys, as small as possible to fit either under the desk, or behind the mouse/keyboard. For sequencing, I think this would be fine entering each part, simple chords, etc. I don\'t think this thing exists, everything has to have full-sized keys. If cellphones can keep getting smaller, why not music keyboards? Then of course, I can have my big weighted keyboard to my right or behind me for actually playing music on my piano sounds, etc.

Great music Ian. One more music question. What do you use for percussion on the Bounty Hunter tracks? I love the heavy percussion you got on those tracks.

JDK Music
12-10-2002, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by SOD213:
</font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by JDK Music:
After years of trying different setups, I finally gave up and built my own (see below). My main keyboard controller is still a Kurzweil 250 (I know, I know, but I really like the feel of the keyboard). The shelf above the 250 slides up and out of the way for when I need to access the 250 controls.

Cost about $150 in materials - took about a day to build.

http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1 (\"http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">That looks like something I\'d want to build, happen to have the plans still? images/icons/wink.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">

JDK Music
12-10-2002, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by JDK Music:
</font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by SOD213:
</font><blockquote><font size=\"1\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">quote:</font><hr /><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Originally posted by JDK Music:
After years of trying different setups, I finally gave up and built my own (see below). My main keyboard controller is still a Kurzweil 250 (I know, I know, but I really like the feel of the keyboard). The shelf above the 250 slides up and out of the way for when I need to access the 250 controls.

Cost about $150 in materials - took about a day to build.

http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1 (\"http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">That looks like something I\'d want to build, happen to have the plans still? images/icons/wink.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\"></font><hr /></blockquote><font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I could probably dig them up for you. I did pretty much design it for myself and my reach (I\'m about 6\' 2\"), and it doesn\'t have a support for a separate keyboard because it sits over the Kurzweil K250, which has it\'s own legs. Still interested?

Lewis
12-10-2002, 12:47 AM
Thx Bruce,

Thats superb information. You are next in row of Gods. May I ask what your setup is like? How many dedicated gigas and specs? I am personally enjoying m-audios products (delta-series) - but I must admit that I really cant hear the difference on the good cards today. I like m-audio due to the same fact you are aroused by = DRIVERS!

Anyway. It seems like most composers have at least 3 dedicated gigacomputers today. Is this because people hate remixing/bouncing or the fact that composers cant work without sound-at-hands?

Love - Chris

Nick Batzdorf
12-10-2002, 02:04 AM
\"My main keyboard controller is still a Kurzweil 250 (I know, I know, but I really like the feel of the keyboard).\"

A brother!

(sniff) I\'m just retiring mine now. It broke one too many times; it\'s just too expensive to maintain that instrument. I have a 250RMX for the sounds, and now I have two K250s that are pretty much parts only.

Hint: you can put together the same functional setup as that really slick one (minus the sliding shelf) out of Ultimate Support parts very easily.

Ian Livingstone
12-10-2002, 03:58 AM
thanks Ben

> Great music Ian. One more music question. What > do you use for percussion on the Bounty Hunter > tracks? I love the heavy percussion you got on > those tracks.

Thanks James - most of it is Tob\'s G-Town - love the chuch reverb and those samples are just so usable. There\'s also bits of Siedlaczek, Sinclavier Percussion (the best Gran Cassa rolls ever) and a few custom samples too.

Ian

Robert Kral
12-10-2002, 04:10 AM
Really digging this thread!

I am one SMALL step closer to my new set up. The first of my new computer monitors arrived today: Samsung 191T. So I am currently viewing this thread in new found CLARITY.

Awesome monitor indeed. Not exactly cheap though.

Kurt at KK says the furniture should be ready in about a week. I opted at the last minute to make the table top heights ADJUSTABLE. This means I will be able to adjust the music keyboard height upwards, and the computer monitor heights downwards.

I have a Kawaii MP9000. Wonderful keyboard action, but a pain to design furniture around!!

Lewis
12-10-2002, 06:42 AM
Oh yes. Thats another good point there Robert K. By all means - if you can afford it - get adjustable heights on your table. The new office-tables-standard are normally fitted with electrical engine that can lift from 60-120 CM. Yes! 120! I tried it myself. Just have to stand up. Which will never be my cup of tea - but its a good thing being able to lift it that extra inch sometimes. Worst work positions are fixed and static.

Love - Chris

Lewis
12-10-2002, 06:46 AM
Btw. I just wanna add to the debate regardings mini-keys on the motherkeys. I think that a modern piano/motherkeys should have an \"alphabetic\" features. When you push the button called: \"alpha\" your actual motherkeys are turned into an alphabet. Going from c2 = a, c2# = b, d2 = c and so on. It could be interesting to see how fast we could typewrite on our pianos. Couldnt this be cool? I bet any decent jazz-pianist could beat a hardcore secretary that way.

ALPHAKEYS THE WAY TO GO!

Love - Chris

passacaglia
12-10-2002, 10:00 AM
in a bit of irony ------ i\'m a pianist and guitarist ..... but i still type with 3 fingers images/icons/smile.gif

so yeah, that would be very cool!

dalamein
12-10-2002, 02:09 PM
Awesome Guys

What do you prefer for Rackmount Furniture? I need a simple rack unit, that I could use for a mixer(on top) and maybe 4-6 1U Rack Spaces? My studio is pretty limited with space.

Thanks

Dave

csduke
12-10-2002, 02:20 PM
Prodikeys (\"http://www.prodikeys.com/products/prodikeys/\") images/icons/wink.gif

Marsdy
12-10-2002, 04:11 PM
Just found this company in the UK that do studio and workstation design and bulid in the UK and Europe. Looks good but expensive images/icons/frown.gif

http://www.studiopeople.com/ (\"http://www.studiopeople.com/\")
http://www.studiopeople.com/wrkstns.htm (\"http://www.studiopeople.com/wrkstns.htm\")

Jake Johnson
12-10-2002, 06:54 PM
I still like the idea of the wide controller drawer that pulls out just like a typing keyboard drawer. This would solve many, many problems. Surely someone makes such a drawer that could be attached to a table?

Lewis
12-10-2002, 07:52 PM
Hmmmm... The studiopeoples website (http://www.studiopeople.com/design.htm) doesnt seem very impressive to me - compared to peoples earlier postings. First of all because most the screenshots are just 3d-renderings. Secondly because they lack alot of things.

A good example is this...

http://www.studiopeople.com/ws-drummie.htm (\"http://www.studiopeople.com/ws-drummie.htm\")

Unless you have a very long and left arm - you would have to roll back and forth - in order to press mouse and keys. This tells me - that these socalled \"studiopeople\" dont really have a clue on how to customize things. They would pay attention to such a detail. Keyboards NEVER on the side - ALWAYS in front. Basic rule.

Am I the only one skeptical about this?

Love - Chris

Robert Kral
12-10-2002, 08:14 PM
Oh BOY! That is some NICE STUFF!!!

(Even if the pictures are only computer generated at the moment).

No, wait HERE\'S the REAL stuff:
http://www.studiopeople.com/pp-frameset.htm (\"http://www.studiopeople.com/pp-frameset.htm\")

drool...........

Looks like a few of these people bought CURCHES for their studios!!

Lewis does have an excellent point, however. For me: the keyboard can be on the side, but needs it\'s own monitors and computer keyboard right in line with it too. Another thing again is to keep the monitors LOW, which they don\'t seem to have done either.

However, I betcha they could if you asked. Their people\'s projects page (link above) shows more stuff than I\'ve ever seen presented on the internet. (Of course, you\'d have to be in the UK).

Those one piece table tops are nice, but you\'d also have to make sure you could get it through your door!

KKAUDIO\'s tops are also usually one piece, so I had to get them to break it down, then assemble it when it gets here. Not their usual policy, but we found something that works.

At least on paper it works anyway!

SOD213
12-10-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by JDK Music:
I could probably dig them up for you. I did pretty much design it for myself and my reach (I\'m about 6\' 2\"), and it doesn\'t have a support for a separate keyboard because it sits over the Kurzweil K250, which has it\'s own legs. Still interested?<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Sure. I\'m 5\'10\", and have to get XL shirts for my arm length, so height shouldn\'t be an issue. images/icons/wink.gif As for the keyboard, I\'m sure I could build a sliding shelf into it. I don\'t have an 88 key controller right now, but I should be getting one in the next week or so.

Thanks in advance!

Hasen
12-11-2002, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Lewis:
Btw. I just wanna add to the debate regardings mini-keys on the motherkeys. I think that a modern piano/motherkeys should have an \"alphabetic\" features. When you push the button called: \"alpha\" your actual motherkeys are turned into an alphabet. Going from c2 = a, c2# = b, d2 = c and so on. It could be interesting to see how fast we could typewrite on our pianos. Couldnt this be cool? I bet any decent jazz-pianist could beat a hardcore secretary that way.

ALPHAKEYS THE WAY TO GO!

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">That would be ironic for former \'trackers\' like myself; to go from having to use the computer keyboard as a piano to come full circle, execept the other way around. images/icons/smile.gif

JDK Music
12-11-2002, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Jake Johnson:
I still like the idea of the wide controller drawer that pulls out just like a typing keyboard drawer. This would solve many, many problems. Surely someone makes such a drawer that could be attached to a table?<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">You sure would sure think so, wouldn\'t you? You\'re right - it seems like the perfect solution. I looked around for a long time to find such a drawer. Finally gave up and designed my own. If you look at the photo, the shelf that you see above the keyboard (that holds the computer keyboards and mice) slides forward easily so that I can access the synth controls. Wish I\'d built this thing years ago. Probably saves me a half-hour each day.

http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1 (\"http://64.226.72.62/jdkstudio1\")

John

JDK Music
www.jdkmusic.com (\"http://www.jdkmusic.com\")

Jake Johnson
12-11-2002, 11:39 AM
John:

I do like your solution, but I also need a writing surface on the desk. That\'s why the wide drawer would be such a good solution: basically a normal writing desk that would convert to a controller keyboard workstation just by my pulling out the controller drawer. (Your setup looks great though.)

JDK Music
12-11-2002, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Jake Johnson:
John:

I do like your solution, but I also need a writing surface on the desk. That\'s why the wide drawer would be such a good solution: basically a normal writing desk that would convert to a controller keyboard workstation just by my pulling out the controller drawer. (Your setup looks great though.)<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Makes sense. My writing desk is just to the left (behind the chair, not viewable in the pic), and the console stuff (2 DA-7\'s, outboard equipment, etc.) are behind the chair, parellel to the keyboard. I can reach everything by swiveling the chair. Works for me, anyway.

Let me know if you find that illusive drawer!

John

JDK Music
www.jdkmusic.com (\"http://www.jdkmusic.com\")

JDK Music
12-11-2002, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Robert Kral:
JDK:

Also check out Omnirax website, but go to their CUSTOM GALLERY, which is WAY different from their usual stuff. There\'s a keyboard desk there that has a sliding table top over the top of the keyboard, creates a LARGE writing surface than can be slid out of the way to reveal the keyboard underneath.

The computer monitors are then left to high for my liking though, but it might be the design you are after.

Here\'s a link to one of the specific photos. I hope Jay Chattaway doesn\'t mind me posting this!! (It\'s his set up)...

http://www.omnirax.com/Custom%20images/Jay%20at%20desk%20cropped.jpg (\"http://www.omnirax.com/Custom%20images/Jay%20at%20desk%20cropped.jpg\")<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Looks really nice! For my purposes, though, the desk I designed is better for me (because of vision problems, I need the monitors close and at eye level, and I don\'t need a large desk, because most of my music \"writing\" these days uses Finale, etc.). Great resource, though...

Robert Kral
12-11-2002, 02:12 PM
Yes I agree JDK.

I actually meant to direct my post to Jake Johnson. Oops!

Jake Johnson
12-11-2002, 05:10 PM
I love the custom \"Drafting Board\" thing. I agree, though, that I\'d rather have the computer monitor lower. I spend a lot of time typing, and having above eye level would cause strain after about thirty minutes.

I sent the company an e-mail asking for a quote based on the unit as shown and with just a wood surface on the slanting writing surface, instead of the formica-like board. I\'ll post the response, once I hear back from them.

Robert Kral
12-11-2002, 06:58 PM
Jake,

One solution would be to buy that one as is, but get LCD flat panels, mount them on VESA compliant extension arms so that the hieght can be lowered in a major way. The arms would be mounted on that back panel, but would protrude out from that area whe needed. This way the monitors can be right infront of you (and would be even lower than that high shelf) when you need them, but UP and out of the way when you\'re more in drafting mode, oops, I mean composition with pen and paper mode.

The VESA arms are about $200 each for the type you would need.

NOt sure if that would bring your monitors as low as you would like, but it would come close.

Robert Kral
12-11-2002, 07:01 PM
Jake,

One solution would be to buy that one as is, but get LCD flat panels, mount them on VESA compliant extension arms so that the hieght can be lowered in a major way. The arms would be mounted on that back panel, but would protrude out from that area whe needed. This way the monitors can be right infront of you (and would be even lower than that high shelf) when you need them, but UP and out of the way when you\'re more in drafting mode, oops, I mean composition with pen and paper mode.

The VESA arms are about $200 each for the type you would need. HOWEVER, you would need to check the designs of the various arms: It still very well might not go low enough, especially if it\'s a heavier monitor.

NOt sure if that would bring your monitors as low as you would like, but it would come close.

Christopher Drake
12-11-2002, 08:41 PM
If anyone is interested..below is a link to a reference directory of most music furniture manufactures.
http://www.geeknoize.com/audio_links/Music_Gear/Studio_Furniture_&_Stands/ (\"http://www.geeknoize.com/audio_links/Music_Gear/Studio_Furniture_&_Stands/\")

Robert Kral
12-12-2002, 12:13 AM
JDK:

Also check out Omnirax website, but go to their CUSTOM GALLERY, which is WAY different from their usual stuff. There\'s a keyboard desk there that has a sliding table top over the top of the keyboard, creates a LARGE writing surface than can be slid out of the way to reveal the keyboard underneath.

The computer monitors are then left to high for my liking though, but it might be the design you are after.

Here\'s a link to one of the specific photos. I hope Jay Chattaway doesn\'t mind me posting this!! (It\'s his set up)...

http://www.omnirax.com/Custom%20images/Jay%20at%20desk%20cropped.jpg (\"http://www.omnirax.com/Custom%20images/Jay%20at%20desk%20cropped.jpg\")

Lewis
12-12-2002, 11:47 AM
Wow! Thats nice! I have finally made my Ikea order and I will ship pictures - when my setup is fully finished and designed.

This thread has been superbly informative. I wanna thank you all - you have REALLY helped me. Thx!

The only issue I still have hanging is where to place keyboard. I would HATE to have a drawer UNDER the table - as ergonomics just DISALLOW that feature. So maybe im going for the good old - keyboard in front - piano behind it. Then again - only those ****ty Mac-keyboards are so tiny. I use logitech keyboards - and they fill alot more. Is there any \"mac keyboards\" for PC\'s? I mean - SMALL keyboards?

Love - Chris

Bruce A. Richardson
12-12-2002, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:
. Is there any \"mac keyboards\" for PC\'s? I mean - SMALL keyboards?

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">If you have a Fry\'s in your community, they have a miniature keyboard. However, they\'re a bit ergonomically challenging in their own right. You may find a super-logical solution once you\'re set up. I ended up suspending two computer keyboards just over my controller, and it works out just fine.

Lewis
12-12-2002, 03:21 PM
Well. I will try out different combos once them bigguyz from Ikea come with my new 1500 pound office (I live on fourth floor and too lazy for carrying myself).

Bruce - you mention controllers. Are you using a KVM-controller for several gigahosts? So you push a button to switch puter - but use ONE mouse and ONE keyboard for x-numbers of gigahosts? If so - how does it work. I somehow think it would be easier to have a little flatscreen for each gigaputer. Then again - if I get a pc-farm like some others here - I would have 5 mouses... hmmm...

Love - Chris

Hasen
12-13-2002, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by Lewis:
Wow! Thats nice! I have finally made my Ikea order and I will ship pictures - when my setup is fully finished and designed.

This thread has been superbly informative. I wanna thank you all - you have REALLY helped me. Thx!

The only issue I still have hanging is where to place keyboard. I would HATE to have a drawer UNDER the table - as ergonomics just DISALLOW that feature. So maybe im going for the good old - keyboard in front - piano behind it. Then again - only those ****ty Mac-keyboards are so tiny. I use logitech keyboards - and they fill alot more. Is there any \"mac keyboards\" for PC\'s? I mean - SMALL keyboards?

Love - Chris<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Only the old Macs have the \'condensed\' keyboard layout, all new Macs (even a couple of years back) have the full keyboard layout with every key of equal size so I don\'t see how they\'re any smaller than pc keyboards. Unless you\'re referring to those huge pc keyboards where 70% of it is something to lean on? They sort of look like rolling hills or something.

stevefu
12-14-2002, 01:15 AM
One more:

http://www.johnottman.com/html/solitary.html (\"http://www.johnottman.com/html/solitary.html\")

noenoeil
12-14-2002, 07:13 AM
I use those mini-keyboards :

http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/slim-line/keyboard-ultra-low-profile-g84-4100.htm (\"http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/slim-line/keyboard-ultra-low-profile-g84-4100.htm\")

With those tiny things, a KVM switch is not necessary when using some Sony TFT displays like the SMD X72/B model.
This model has 3 video sources input with a front selector (1 DVI, 2 VGA).
Fine for a 3 PC setup...

Also, someone was asking for a 4U or 2U rack, I own one of these (every 4U on the market comes with industrial fans, so replace the stock fans with Vantec Stealth or any noise-free fan) :

http://www.rackmount.com/Rackmt/RM-02-11.HTM (\"http://www.rackmount.com/Rackmt/RM-02-11.HTM\")

Hope that helps

Lewis
12-14-2002, 08:42 AM
Arh superb! Those keyboards are just what I am looking for! Great! I knew they were out there - next problem - can I get them here in Europe. Anyway. Thx! This is JUST the stuff I have been looking for. Its actually funny with Keyboards. Right now it seems its kinda popular to make \"pancake\" keyboards. The flatter and more space they take - the more trendy they are. Some I will have to wander to the other side of my studio to press spacebar. Hmmmm. That might just do me good! LOL!

Love - Chris

Lewis
12-14-2002, 08:58 AM
Arh! Even more superb! I just found a european provider for those funky Cherry keys! Thx again! Thx thx thx!

Love - Chris

noenoeil
12-14-2002, 09:22 AM
Chris, I baught mine at a lame french reseller, expensive as a bridge, can you provide this european distributor\'s URL please?

Christian

Lewis
12-14-2002, 10:02 AM
Well. There is a German seller (website in German) here: http://www.keybo.de/content/keybo.storefront/DE/product/1006 (\"http://www.keybo.de/content/keybo.storefront/DE/product/1006\")

But I also found a retailer from my own country (Denmark) here: www.zitech.dk (\"http://www.zitech.dk\")

I found my own by writing this in google:

+\"G84-4100\" +\".dk\" +kr

looking for a french sales repr. that would be something like:

+\"G84-4100\" +\".fr\" +frc

Nomatter what - it IS an expensive keyboard. I havent seen it ANYWHERE for under 60 EURO. So nomatter what - we are forced to show the purge!

http://www.jautomatise.com/Cimax/Iclavi2.ASP (\"http://www.jautomatise.com/Cimax/Iclavi2.ASP\") (thats a french sales I think)

Love - Chris

noenoeil
12-14-2002, 11:02 AM
Thanx Chris images/icons/smile.gif

PolarBear
12-14-2002, 11:21 AM
http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?a=6629 (\"http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?a=6629\")
German layout, 44,08 Euro

http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?a=6631 (\"http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?a=6631\")
US layout, 53,84 Euro

http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?such=G84+4100 (\"http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?such=G84+4100\")
Search site used \"gb84 4100\"

Hope this helps.

Hansi

PS: Don\'t know about taxes with if you buy from one of these sellers...

Lewis
12-14-2002, 02:42 PM
Well. In general. If purchase is done within the E.U - taxes SHOULD be off in theory. If you are a US customer (or vice versa) you will pay tax. Some day we shall all be free. Free like dolphins. Hahaha. Not!

Really! Im not an idiot! You just have this weird idea that I am.

Love - Chris

Lewis
12-16-2002, 10:39 PM
Btw. Bruce mentioned a herman miller designed chair he uses... I got some super pictures of a few Aeron Miller chairs... These are the ones that ANY composer who wants to live 10 years longer should go for...

http://www.office48.com/Seating/aeron.html (\"http://www.office48.com/Seating/aeron.html\")

I hear John Williams use it too! LOL.

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That was a joke - sorta just to promote it. Sorry guyz. Couldnt help it.

Love - Chris

Robert Kral
12-18-2002, 07:57 PM
After praising KK Audio so far on this thread, I feel it\'s only fair to everyone I also report that now I have done business with them for over a month now, I do NOT give them top marks.

Their furniture is excellent from what I have seen, and I will comment further once they deliver.

I was warned by two other studios that although KK Audio furniture is great, the company can be difficult to deal with.

I have now found this the case, as I generally have gotten the \"run around\" and the excuses given have been in some cases the same as excuses given to other prior customers I am in contact with.

One studio warned me I would have to \"keep on top of them\" and \"be prepared the furniture won\'t be right the first time\". That last comment I heard more than once, also.

We\'ll see about the furniture being right, but so far I agree with the other warnings.

Just wanted to balance out my high praise for them, with the negative experience also. If it were just my situation I would say it was a one-off \"not so great\" experience, but my story is uncannily similar to other customers.

It\'s a pity: their furniture IS very good indeed.

Lewis
12-18-2002, 08:45 PM
Its weird. It seems like there are two facts in life. First one... Bad things always come in a bunch. I mean - when something bad happens - there is always something bad coming just along. Second one... Some companies have splended products and the worst service man could possible comprehend. Two nasty factors in life to take into account. Then we have the famous chaos factor - but that also means creating something cool in 1 minute or ones harddisk suddenly burn out. Sigh. Where has this world come to?

Anyway Rob. Points taken. I just got my stuff from the \"Ikea Studio\" - and rest assure - they know HOW to deliver. I had two giant \"thugs\" bringing 1000 pounds of goods up here (live on 5th floor). They kinda whined about it. I gave each of them a coca cola and a tip. Suddenly the weight was not as heavy. Impressive how money can defy the rules of gravity.

Love - Chris

jkrans
12-19-2002, 12:00 AM
http://photos.yahoo.com/jeffkrans (\"http://photos.yahoo.com/jeffkrans\")

Here\'s my current setup. As you can tell, I\'m not big on having any clutter in my studio. The table top was designed by myself and I\'m fortunate to have a family member who is a professional woodworker, cause I\'m basically clueless when it comes to woodworking. The cabinet on the left is sort of a \"home-made\" iso cabinet that works fairly well in keeping the noise from my giga and mac systems to a minimum. The two monitors are dedicated to my G3 and one of the monitors, the mac keyboard and mouse are being shared between the mac and giga systems via a USB/VGA switchbox. My plan is to hang a flat panel TV on the wall above the monitors one of these days after I figure out how to come up with about $4,000. Although I think my next purchase should really be a more comfortable chair. images/icons/smile.gif

Jeff

Robert Kral
12-19-2002, 01:00 AM
Hey! It\'s the case of the vanishing keyboard!!

What happened to the keyboard in the last picture? Could you tell us more about this multifunctional aspect of your desk?

Oh, now I see: your keyboard was on it\'s own stand...pretty clever!!

How about the home made isobox? Can you go into specifics for us on what you used?

jkrans
12-19-2002, 02:27 AM
Hey! It\'s the case of the vanishing keyboard!!

What happened to the keyboard in the last picture? Could you tell us more about this multifunctional aspect of your desk?

Oh, now I see: your keyboard was on it\'s own stand...pretty clever!!

How about the home made isobox? Can you go into specifics for us on what you used? <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">Hey Robert,

The reason behind designing the table with the removable piece in front was mainly to be physically closer to the monitors when composing. I found that I was a little too far away otherwise. By using a regular keyboard stand, Iím able to have the keyboard at the optimal height and have the flexibility of moving the keyboard when not in use and reinserting the removable piece for some conventional writing space. In regard to the iso box, Iím using a Middle Atlantic MDV-R12 with a Raxxess plexi door. See the links below. I then added another set of rack rails to the back and used blank rack space panels to enclose the back. One of the panels however has a built in fan to keep things cool in there. I also added some auralex foam around the plexi door to limit the noise. Overall I would have to say it works pretty darn well. Itís not as good as the real iso boxes out there, but it was a heck of a lot cheaper.

http://www.middleatlantic.com/studio/mdv/dimr12tp.htm (\"http://www.middleatlantic.com/studio/mdv/dimr12tp.htm\")

http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=219 (\"http://www.raxxess.com/product.asp?ID=219\")

Lewis
12-19-2002, 04:36 AM
Very interesting setup. I love the simplicity you are aiming for here and you should def. go for a chair next time. Bruce posted remarks about the Aeron Hermann Miller chair. Really friend - check that one out. Its not the most expensive, nor the cheapest. But overall it seems to be a smash. Im gonna try it today. In general one rule apply for chair and quality (to my experience) and thats price. The more, the better. I was amazed to find out that \"new\" chair can be altered in so many ways. These things are really flexible and have up to 11 point you can \"mold\" into your bodyform.

That being said I just wondered. The keyboard stand you are using, is it like overlapping the actual table? Or does the edge of the table collide with the keyboard stand? Its a bit hard to see on the pictures. Im talking about the actual edges of the keyboard stander. Whether they are just slightly above or go straight into the edge of the table. Thx.

Love - Chris

jkrans
12-19-2002, 09:00 PM
Hi Chris,

Yeah, I was definitely going for a simple and streamlined setup. I agree about the chair. I actually used to work for a fairly large .com company here in Chicago and they furnished the entire office with Aeron chairs. That was when times were good and money was no object. I got pretty spoiled sitting in that chair every day. I\'ll definitely look into getting one of those again.

In regard to the keyboard stand, its actually narrower than the cutout in the table and it sits a little bit lower so it doesn\'t end up overlapping or touching at all. Although, the sides of the keyboard do come close to touching as the cutout is 52\" wide and the keyboard is a little over 50\". The stand is really just a basic \"X\" stand and its nothing fancy, but it sits at just the right height and allows the keyboard to sit about level with the table top.

Jeff

timzydee
12-20-2002, 05:54 PM
My story is the same as alot of the other guys. I had a design for a desk and got together with a friend of my dad last year who had alot more knowhow and tools to actually build it.

Studio Picture (\"http://www.swgames.com/timzydee\")

Lewis
12-21-2002, 05:23 AM
I love that setup picture. Its actually a cool idea having graphical references to what gear you are using. It seems that many prefer the \"under table\" solution - which was my initial idea for a perfect setup. But I did (as I have written b4) consult two ergonomic experts and they didnt like the idea at all. I have a major problem in regards of height of the under-table-system. I have rather long legs (im 1.94 meters). This means my legs sorta bash into whatever is under the table. Anyway. I finally got my Ikea stuff unpacked and I bought something called:
\"T-legs\". T-Legs are adjustable legs, so I can alter the height of the whole studio with a few pushes. Height goes from 65-85 centimeters. My current setup is 76 CM and standard for table height is normally 72 CM. Yes - then you know that. I will soon take pictures, so I can share the \"wonder\" (its not!) with you!

Love - Chris

Jake Johnson
12-21-2002, 02:18 PM
timzydee:

That\'s a great lookng setup--it has the sliding drawer that I need.

I only wish that someone made this as a standard design that could be easily purchased.

timzydee
12-21-2002, 05:19 PM
Hitting your legs against the drawer was a concern early on, so we extended it\'s reach with two sets of slides. This allows it to be completly pushed all the way to the inside back of the desk.

Lewis
12-22-2002, 10:19 AM
The only problem I see is that the monitors are placed a bit far too high. You need to place your egg (head) between the high and mids. Personally I am very picky about the heigth of the monitors - as just centimeters makes a huge difference. Especially if you have good monitors - you can REALLY hear the difference.

Love - Chris

MDesigner
02-04-2003, 05:49 PM
Just thought I\'d add to this thread.. in case anyone still reads it. My studio definitely needs to be seen, as it is the king of studio setups.

http://www.samhulick.com/studio/ (\"http://www.samhulick.com/studio/\")

Lewis
02-04-2003, 05:53 PM
Holy macro. I forgot to take pictures of my own setup. I will get that done. I eventually got so inspired by Bruces praising of the Aeron (herman miller) chair that I got it.

It means ALOT how we sit and its the one thing often NOT being mentioned in studio setups. Even though composers main tools are 3 pounds of grey blob and about 30 bones placed on 10 fingers - its also important how our back feels in the long run.

The aeron is the best studio chair in the world.

I tried chairs four times its price - and I tried ALOT. The Aeron is still the best with over 40 different levers on it.

Look here for more info:

www.hermannmiller.com (\"http://www.hermannmiller.com\")

Love - Chris