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02-29-2004, 08:57 AM
OK, here we go...

Here is my first attempt at anything GPO...

It was done 99% in Finale via GPO Studio. Only the ritard at the end was done in Cakewalk, and the MP3 was created using the bundled Cubasis. An ensemble of like instruments is probably a very strict test of a library--little to mix--, and I am pleased with the way GPO performed here...

Gabrieli Canzona Per Sonare (\"http://home.insightbb.com/~williams.jim/Gabrieli.mp3\")

I used 4 solo instruments: trumpet solo 1 & 2, horn 1, and tuba 2 (tuba 1 is \"different.\"), with the Ambience reverb...so this is a real \"out of the box\" experience

I can already see some notes I should have edited a bit more and some other things to do, but I\'ll throw myself on the mercy of the court. When time permits, I will revise the notes I want to fix. I\'d welcome mixing and reverb advice and anything else I might have overlooked.

Thanx to all who have corresponded with me since I\'ve bought GPO.

Joseph Burrell
02-29-2004, 01:41 PM
Actually, I think this sounds very good. Someone more familiar with this music may give you better advice, but I like it.

Jeff Hurchalla
02-29-2004, 04:19 PM
I like it images/icons/smile.gif Nice piece and rendition.

02-29-2004, 09:56 PM
Prof. Jim,

I can\'t believe I almost missed this one. Fantastic rendition - especially for doing It was done 99% of it in Finale. It must have taken a long time to notate this. Using some of the controls in GPO could make this piece shine even more. Hope you don\'t mind if this makes its way to the GPO demo page. Could you tell us a little about the piece - when it was written and about the composer.

Thanks for sharing this.

Gary Garritan

02-29-2004, 10:08 PM
You are more than welcome to take this if you want! Before you do, PLEASE elaborate (when time permits) on your advice to make it shine more in GPO. All advice eagerly & cheerfully accepted!!
I\'ll send you all the info about the piece off-list. Houston and other brass players can probably play their part of this from memory...it\'s a staple of \"brassdom.\"

Thanx for the kind remarks--I felt some trepidation about posting since I\'m not a keyboard player or a sequencing whiz, but GPO responded so nicely...
Back to grading papers...ecch images/icons/mad.gif ...Jim

03-01-2004, 10:28 AM

This piece sounds really great. Nice job! If this was your first attempt, I\'m really looking forward to your 2nd and 3rd. images/icons/grin.gif

-- Martin

03-01-2004, 09:03 PM
Here are some old program notes I did for this piece:

GIOVANNI GABRIELI Born in Venice 1557, Died in Venice (thus a harbinger of things to come for you Thomas Mann fans) 1612.

CANZONI PER SONARE NO.2 (of at least 4, give or take three)

The Canzona was an important instrumental form of the 16th and 17th centuries, an outgrowth from the Franco-Flemish chansons (songs) of Jannequin, Clemens non Papa (the Barry Manilow of his day), and others published in Italy in the 15th and 16th centuries. The immense popularity of these pieces led to numerous arrangements for lute and keyboard. Unfortunately, most people could never hear the lute when it played, so other more easily audible instruments such as (the aptly-named) racketts, shawms, krummhorns, sackbutts, etc. took up the songs.

Frustrated with the inaudibility of the lute and the attitudes of 16th-century divas, later composers wrote original instrumental pieces in the form of some of these canzoni that they called Canzoni da Sonare, i.e. songs to be sounded rather than sung.

Giovanni Gabrieli, organist at St. Mark’s in Venice, made full use of the musical resources, choral and instrumental, available at that great center of musical activity. In 1608 he published a collection of six instrumental canzoni entitled Canzoni per sonare con ogni sorte di stromenti (Canzoni for small pickup ensembles). Only very rarely did Gabrieli designate specific instruments for performance, a practice just coming into favor. You wanna get your piece played, you take what\'s available...Very often these pieces were played antiphonically, one player or small group standing in each of the Cathedral\'s four corners, thus creating a 16th century version of Surround Sound.


03-01-2004, 10:43 PM
Prof. Jim,

Thanks for the info about Gabrieli. It\'s incredible that music was written 400 years ago.
It would be great to hear 16th century Surround Sound live!

Appreciate your sharing this!

Gary Garritan

03-03-2004, 06:34 PM
Very nice! I think this piece sounds professionally rendered and I\'m glad Gary is putting it up on his site. This is the kind piece that certain \'other\' libraries have a tough time with!

Lets hear more from you!

Hardy Heern
03-05-2004, 02:37 PM
I enjoy brass bands and this is pretty good; I look forward to hearing the tweaked version. Not being knowledgable in brass band history I was surprised that this was written 400yrs ago! Parts of it don\'t sound at all dated.

Keep up the good work.


03-06-2004, 12:19 AM
Thanx, all, for the kind and encouraging words...
Nexus, I chose a \"homogeneous\" ensemble specifically as an acid test for GPO. Every evidence is that GPO passed with flying colors and I get a B- or a C+ for programming.

Here\'s what I thought I\'d change:

*Some note lengths (easy to fix)

*Some initial attacks in all 4 parts (can be accomplished in Finale in the MIDI tool, or I\'ll punt & draw modwheel data in the sequencer.
In this light I ask about VELOCITY in the brass library--I hear SOME difference in attack & timbre as I vary velocity, but not as much as I might have thought--to get a crisp attack, should I deal with BOTH volume AND velocity? I\'ll keep trying there.

*More use of the two \"GPO Randomizers.\" I had them turned up slightly, but perhaps not enough to make a real difference in pitch and timbre, especially in the sixteenth-note runs.

*More use of \"humanization\" in the sequencer or in Finale--I was very concerned about notes overlapping in a track due to randomization of start times and durations, so again I may have set this too low so the performance sounds too tight.

*RELEASES, especially the very last one, seem abrupt. Is there a good modwheel (or other) setting to use to make releases in brass less chopped?

Those are the bigger problems that I see. I\'m pretty ignorant of things like EQ & the various aspects of reverb, so I\'ll have to learn some about that. I juse used an Ambience template.

So...A+ to GPO for programmability and flexibility, a generous B-/C+ to the beginning programmer! I spent a couple hours working on the Finale file in the MIDI tool and about a half-hour in the sequencer. I had already entered the notation some years ago for one of my groups.

Again...thanx for all the encouragement!