View Full Version : Please Listen to my Demos

01-27-2004, 08:20 AM
Hi Everyone. I would really appreciate some feedback on my demos. I will be buying GPO soon but for now, these were made with a Roland XP-30, EMU Virtuoso, and Halion with Symphony of voices. Falcon1 gave me the web space. Thanks Falcon.

This is an edit: The Links are at Jkerr\'s reply down below. He fixed them for me. Thanks Jonathan.


01-27-2004, 08:23 AM
Links are right below here on the next reply.

01-27-2004, 08:43 AM
Hey Eric,

This will help ya out.

Link to Eric\'s 3 Songs (\"http://www.falcon-creations.com/mp3/EricWatkins/\")

PS. This link is to Eric\'s songs - not mine.

01-27-2004, 11:04 AM
Thanks so much Jonathan. Everyone on this forum has been so helpful. It is all much appreciated. So how about some feedback? Please?


01-27-2004, 11:23 AM

I like the way you write and orchestrate..

\"A boy takes flight\" has some serious quantize problems...it sounds allmost like the \"shuffle\" is turned on..also the track is a bit too long for what it is..

The mix and dynamics are good, and sounds good overall, considering what you used..

Do yourself a favour, and if you can save up for VSL or QLSO..you will benefit greatly from it..


01-27-2004, 11:42 AM
Hi eaglehvac, here\'s my humble opinion:

A boy takes flight

I can certainly imagine this music in a film, it\'s very good for that purpose. But
because I come from the classical sector I would like to hear more variant in the
harmony. Anyway you got a very nice theme and the structure is in place, only part
I don\'t like as much is the ending.

D Theme

You manage to set the mood right from the beginning and you held it together nicely.
In my opinion, it\'s the best piece of the three. However, the snare drum was little
too strong in the end.

Friends drive home

It\'s a very good piece, however, I would like to hear more interesting harmony
progressions - but like I said above, it could be because of my background.

I can imagine all of the pieces used in some film, it\'s very good for that purpose.

Well done and keep up the good work!

01-27-2004, 07:10 PM
Anybody else? I\'m really fishing here but I want to get a good concensus here of what I can do to make it better. Thanks for the help.


01-27-2004, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by eaglehvac:
Hi Everyone. I would really appreciate some feedback on my demos. I will be buying GPO soon but for now, these were made with a Roland XP-30, EMU Virtuoso, and Halion with Symphony of voices. Falcon1 gave me the web space. Thanks Falcon.Eric <font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">I think these pieces are pretty, and (with a little re-working) would work well in a film.

My suggestions:

(1) All 3 pieces are a little long-winded in my opinion. I would shorten them, and in addition to that I would make judicious use of key changes/modulations and dynamics.

(2) In \"A Boy Takes Flight,\" the drum pattern is too repetitive and machine-sounding. Try to visualize what a live percussionist would do, if possible.

(3) The types of chord progressions you are using tend to be overused in film music (this is just my observation). If I were you, I would expand my vocabulary of chords and harmonies.

(4) \"Friends Drive Home\" starts out very nicely, but then it becomes somewhat repetitive (see my point #1 above). I would add a key change - or maybe an octave change - and in addition I would give the piece more room to breathe by adding pauses and silences at opportune moments. I also feel that the pedaling should be redone in spots.

Hope this helps.

01-28-2004, 12:05 AM
Thanks guys. I appreciate the feedback. I think I know what you mean by the quantize thing. The beat is a bit wierd. I suck at programming rythms and a closed hi hat got shoved over or something in there. On \"A Hero Falls\" my wife said to me \"You really need to calm down the snare at the end of that\". I guess she\'s right again. I was just so excited to get the initial midi mixdown that I almost didnt care and wanted to hear it all with a bit of sheen on it if you know what I mean. I will definitley work on these things. If maybe you could be a little more specific about the quantize problem you are hearing I would really appreciate it. Thanks guys.

Eric W

01-28-2004, 12:27 AM
I like \'em, Eric. Nice songs.

01-28-2004, 03:36 PM
Hi Eric,

I listened to your songs, and agree with the previous comments.

When I compose I often find that the hardest thing to do is to make the piece as varied as possible but still to retain its unity and basic feeling.

The \"A boy...\" has a basic powerful feeling to it and you varies the used instrumentation nicely. As CadyBryant observes, the percussion part could be more varied. I tend to do that too (i.e. not vary the percussion enough), when I want to have a strong rythmic feeling. I also agree on the comment regarding the harmonies, where more variety could be used, but be careful not to interrupt the unity.

The \"D Theme\" beginning evokes a scene captured by sweeping cameras over a landscape, either countryside or grey, dusty city neigborhoods.

\"Friends...\" is a laidback piece, suitable as a background relaxing song. In that scenario, you really don\'t need that much variation, although musically speaking it would benefit by it. You have a terribly long tail ending the piece! images/icons/smile.gif



01-28-2004, 05:42 PM
Very nice pieces. Try studying the scores (CD\'s) of other composers and listen to what the do to make their pieces evolve over time.

I think GPO will work fine for what you are doing and will be a great addition to your current setup.

Beware of the folks posting for you to save up for $3,000 - $5,000 libraries. Remember that you also need to buy extra computers to run these beasts.

01-28-2004, 06:55 PM
Don\'t know about QLSO, but you can run VSL on a single computer and with a bit of bouncing get great results...

So...no reason to beware.. images/icons/wink.gif


01-28-2004, 07:10 PM
Not to worry. I cant afford the major libraries yet. It would be nice to have the best tools but to be honest, I\'ve heard a lot of demos that sound great with much less (GPO and others) and I\'ve also heard demos of the big $3000+ libraries by people that just dont have the ear for what is pleasant. I guess my point is that more isnt necessarily better all the time and one thing that could really hinder my creativity is too many things to choose from. For what I know about orchestral music (you couldn\'t fill a thimble with it) Gpo will be more than enough to keep me busy. I\'ll also be buying KHSS for the more intimate, close-up sounds but otherwise, I dont think that I\'ll be missing much for a long time. I just look at what I\'ve got already (or what I\'m about to have) and think that if Hans Zimmer or Danny Elfman had to use my studio, they could churn out a demo that would blow away almost anyone. I know the potential is there. It\'s up to me to bring it out. Thanks for the feedback so far. I will definitly work out some of the suggestions. I dont think that I will rewrite these with GPO but I will post something with Gpo when I make my first decent thing with it. Thanks again.

Eric W

01-28-2004, 07:31 PM
Looking forward to hear how will your talent sound with GPO and KHSS... images/icons/smile.gif


01-28-2004, 08:47 PM
You\'ve got talent, great music!

01-29-2004, 06:00 AM
As a former user of Roland\'s JV orchestra and EMU\'s Virtuoso, I\'d say you\'ve gone as far as you can with those instruments. When you get GPO it will open up the world of orchestration in a way you are probably not use to at this time, though your pieces are very good.

I would take the advice here suggesting you shy away from mega buck libraries.

Remember that several members of this forum, are pros making good money enough to afford things like VSL (over priced IMHO) and QLSO (very good but strictly for power users with much $$$$).

Though it is possible to use ANY library on a single PC, let\'s get real here. Multi-PCs are the only practical way to use the large expensive libraries unless you don\'t mind making a single composition your life\'s work!

I would suggest that you should try listening extensively to film music from 20, 30, 40 or 50 years ago as opposed to modern film scores. Modern film composers tend to just hammer at their audiences with orchestral cheese that is meant to compete with stentorian sound effects which are so loved by directors these days (NOT that I thought YOUR music was in this category, please!). I have respect for Danny Elfman and even Hans Zimmer as they CAN do some good stuff. It\'s just that listening to the old scores will teach you more about melody, structure and above all good taste. I\'m not talking trashy \'B\' movie scores from the fifties, but the great classics from Herrmann, Rosza, Newman, Rosenman, Moross, Goldsmith and many others from that era.

That\'s my best advice. Classical music is fine, but it\'s not film music. You can\'t learn as much as quickly.

It\'s been my best education!

(P.S.: Please no responses accusing me of knocking \'classical\' music. I am in NO WAY diminishing the works of the great masters.)

01-29-2004, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by nexus:

Though it is possible to use ANY library on a single PC, let\'s get real here. Multi-PCs are the only practical way to use the large expensive libraries unless you don\'t mind making a single composition your life\'s work!

<font size=\"2\" face=\"Verdana, Arial\">This is simply not true...


01-29-2004, 06:10 PM
Of course...I\'m just saying that with a carrefully chosen template and good planing you can do very nice things with one machine runing both sequencer and GS160 and using stuff like VSL and SAM..


01-30-2004, 12:12 AM
What I don\'t like about bouncing using the large libraries (I own quite a few) is that once you bounce, you can\'t change tempos. GPO allows me to play full orchestras in realtime without resorting to freezing or bouncing tracks on one computer. Massaging the tempo track is my final step before mastering a piece. It gets very hard to do this when you have to mute 3/4 of the orchestra to do this part. This was a very common scenario for me when using the large Giga libraries such as GOS, Dan Dean, etc. Now I can do this last step properly now that I can hear the whole orchestra. There is very little bouncing down occuring now which saves quite a bit of hard drive space and the time spent bouncing (and time spend backing up and cleaning these extra audio tracks).