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RICARDO BOTTICELLI
03-16-2004, 10:22 PM
Thanks Patrick.
i\'m still looking for some mp3.
i can\'t find it images/icons/frown.gif
next weekend i\'ll try to test the gt-6 in a music store.

RICARDO BOTTICELLI
03-17-2004, 12:16 AM
there\'s someone using this unit here?
i really need to listen an mp3 showing the real potential of gt-6.
in particular the tube sounds like dual rectifier mode.harmonizer and wha wha.
as usual the demos by boss sounds too bad images/icons/frown.gif
thanks guys

P de Caumette
03-17-2004, 12:37 AM
I bought a GT6 a few weeks ago. I was getting tired of my old Boss board.
The tube emulations are better than they used to be. There is a whole bunch of different sounds available from crunch to speed metal. The harmonizer sounds good, the wha wha I didn\'t try extensively yet.
I found one thing out though: don\'t sell your old pedals when buying a new one. You usually don\'t get much money for it and there\'s always this one thing your old pedals do that you will not find in the new gear.
If you like the Boss sound, go for it. The board is surdy and at this point it is the most complete multi effect in Boss\' catalog.

They used to sell the GT6 for $600 but you can find it now for under $400.

RICARDO BOTTICELLI
03-17-2004, 07:14 AM
Thank you Sharmy!!!
what i\'m looking for is a great tube sound.
do you know another multi effect able to do that?
Vamp 2,Pod,Digitech?
thanks

Junkmonkey
03-17-2004, 08:19 AM
I\'ve had my GT-6 for a long time. The sounds are synthetic. IMO, none of the built-in emulated BOSS pedals sound as good as the original ones, and the amp sims aren\'t really that good.

For $400, it\'s a good deal. But if you\'re nit-picky about your sound, don\'t expect the cleanest and grittiest sounds to come out of this board.

It\'s a good faker.

If you want good tube distortion, save up for a mesa - I can\'t find anything that beats its sound. But like everything else, amp sounds (clean and distorted) are very subjective things. You gotta hear em for yourself and try not to take the first thing that is better than your current setup!

Some of the marshall valves have an okay mellow distorted sound, if that\'s what you\'re after, and a really good clean sound. I\'d go with the mesa though images/icons/grin.gif . One more thing, don\'t try and cop out and spend less money on, say, a Blue Voodoo (Crate), they\'re not worth it. With amps, like much everything else, you get what you pay for - the more ya spend, the better!

Don\'t go crazy with effects! Get a good clean sound first - learn to eq! There should be multiple eqs in your chain, someting like Guitar --> EQ --> FX Unit --> EQ --> Preamp (w/built in EQ) --> Cab. You can get incredible sounds just by eliminating those harsh frequencies and emphasizing the others. Check out THIS (\"http://www.amptone.com/\") amazing website - it totally changed the way I rigged my gear. Once you learn the secrets of guitar tone (EQ!!) you can do anything. He has plenty of samples on there which demonstrate the power of eq.

- Junk

P.S. You can check out some mp3 samples here:

http://home.flash.net/~blitz/tunes.html (\"http://home.flash.net/~blitz/tunes.html\")

It\'s incredible, but true: \"All tunes were recorded using only a $19.95 Radio Shack Optimus 33-3018 mic, AMD K6-2/450 PC, and Cakewalk v8.04. No outboard gear (mic-preamps, mixers, EQ, or compressors, etc.) were used. Midi sounds were generated onboard the \'puter via Yamaha S-YXG50 softsynth. Mastering and final editing were done using Soundforge v4.5\"

The sounds are awesome! One more thing, I hope I don\'t sound like I\'m contradicting myself. Earlier I said \'the more ya spend, the better.\' That is true, give this guy a triple rectifier and the sound would knock you off your seat. But what you must remember is that if you can\'t get a good sound from your current setup, you\'re not doing it right! images/icons/smile.gif

Good luck

Houston Haynes
03-17-2004, 08:24 AM
I\'ve read several threads on K-v-R that folks have picked up Trash (\"http://www.iZotope.com\") and their Pods, etc. have been collecting dust ever since. They have a new VST format plug coming out soon, and depending on your requirements, it might be just what you\'re looking for. They actually have two distortion stages inside their \"Trash\" panel that can create an amazing array or distortion colors.

Not only is their distortion top-notch, but their cabinet and mic\'ing style emulator is *way* cool. They have tons of of cool vintage speaker emulations (as well as a few that defy conventional description), and some slick radio button controls that allow you to set the type of \"microphone\" that you can use - dynamic, condenser, and ribbon - in order to tailor the type of sound that ultimately comes out of the plug.

Junkmonkey\'s comments are completely correct - how you chain effects to countour the sound is as the distortion. If you check out the UI for Trash, you\'ll see that they have pre and post filters on the distortion, and then out to the box modeler and other effects (called \"buzz\").

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/trash/images/screenshot.jpg

Check out their demo - you\'ll be glad you did.

SWL
03-17-2004, 09:09 AM
I\'ve used every guitar processor since the ADA MP-1 (not to mention own several \'classic\' amps) -

Anyhow, the PodXT is hands down, the coolest, most realistic amp sim/processor on the market.

No software sims come close to this device! (Trash is marginally ok, at the best).

The amp sims on the XT are very true to form. I have mic\'d up amps with similar setting to the XT and in a mix, you cant tell the real to xerox verion.

To get the most of the XT you need to use a little post eq to clean up the top end fizz and tighten up the low-mids. Other than that, it is very much plug and go, with a good handful of inspiring presets to get your feet wet. If you are a PC user, you can take advantage of it\'s internal soundcard/midi device via USB, not to mention software edits for all the settings!!

The GT-6 is cool for unusual sounds, synth effects, but not very good at simulating real amp tones.

I run my XT directly through a Drawmer 1960 and the sound is SO smooth. I rarely EVER mic up a real amp anymore in the studio. All i need is my little red kidney bean.

For the record ... the XT is more geared towards classic/vintage tones. If you want razor blades to the ears/ modern tones, other devices or software sims may do it better.


SWL

Ray Lindsley
03-17-2004, 11:03 AM
I love my Pod XT Pro. Like SWL said, you need to eq out some fizz, but after that, it sounds great. I also have an old Digitech GSP 2101 Artist that has some great effects, but the distortion is not that great, even though it\'s got a tube.

I downloaded the Trash demo, but I have not been able to get a sound that I really like, yet, but I\'m not giving up. A lot of people really like it, but there seems to be a little learning curve to it, and I haven\'t given it enough effort yet, but I love the concept. The demo mp3 files haven\'t overly impressed me, though. But as already stated, guitar tone is a very subjective thing.

Ian Dorsch
03-17-2004, 11:25 AM
I\'ll chime in on the PodXT. I\'ve done a fair amount of direct recording with that and the Vetta, and the latest generation of Line6 amp models sounds very convincing. One huge improvement from the Pod to the PodXT is the quality of the high gain models, IMO. The rectifier in the first generation Pod sounded like @ss, all flabby and woofy and almost useless in a mix without drastic EQ. The one in the XT sounds amazingly more authentic.

Another cheaper route to consider might be the Johnson J-Station. I still use my Johnson Millennium for most of my own direct guitar recordings (the models are very similar to the J-Station), and though it is a few years old, I think it still stacks up very favorably to the latest sexiest modeling hardware.

It isn\'t the best way to showcase the guitar, but here is a recent recording I did of a techno-metal demo using a Schecter C-7 and the Johnson rectifier model: Kasar (\"http://www.willowtreeaudio.com/media/Kasar.mp3\")

In my experience, hardware is still REALLY the way to go for this sort of thing. Plugs like Trash, etc are great for creative mangling but very frustrating to use for recording a straight-up amp model.

Ian Dorsch
03-17-2004, 01:07 PM
Thanks, Patrick. images/icons/smile.gif

Without a lot of tweaking, the Johnson high-gain models have a bit more edge and \"meanness\" to them than the PodXT, which tend to sound a little rounder and fuzzier. That said, I\'ve been able to get a very usable metal rhythm tone using various combinations of the Rectified and Spinal Puppet models in the PodXT. Best results come from not using TOO much gain (maybe about 1/2 - 2/3 of max) to keep some tightness to the tone. For metal-style rhythm guitar I always double track in mono and pan the two tracks hard L & R.

P de Caumette
03-18-2004, 12:26 AM
Ian,

nice, nasty sound you got there.
I\'ve been looking for a good metal sound for some project.
Do you feel you can get a similar, trash metal sound from the PodXt. If so, what preset do you recommend for such a sound?

Thanks

RICARDO BOTTICELLI
03-18-2004, 09:37 AM
Thanks guys for all great tips!!!
Pod xt is in my mind now!!!!
i\'m trying to get a good and fast sound without carry my whole set up.
i use jmp1,ada mp1,mesa boogie20/20,intelifex,bbe,dbx.
it\'s too much to use in a pocket show.
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will be great apod xt as i can see images/icons/cool.gif

Metallian
03-18-2004, 05:34 PM
Here\'s my opinion
I have a GT-6 : it\'s crap compared to my pod.
I tested a lot of Virtual Amp (Pod Pro, V-Amp, Digitech ...)

The best is definitively the POD XT PRO

The Line 6 Guitar Port is also amazing and very cheap but needs a PC to run and is not made for live shows.

I\'ll sell my Pod Pro to buy a Pod XT Pro because some of the new patches are really interesting ...

SWL
03-18-2004, 09:04 PM
The PodXT is a quantum leap from the original Pod 2.0 --- new modeling algorithms, processor, OS and tons of new features (effect pedal sims, diff mics, placement, etc). My FAVORUTE FEATURE (which i was able to do on original Pod Pro (only) ) is to \'re-amp\' the guitar.

So you monitor playing with one tone, yet your sequencer records the dry/un-effected tone. So after you get your part recorded it gives you the ability to send the clean signal back to the Pod and choose which sound you want!!

I built a Logic environment (if anyone wants it, just message me) which allows you to edit all the XT\'s parameters, and if you feel so inclined, AUTOMATE the XT when you are reamping. I never touch the bean, i use the environment for all editing.

Quite an incredible tool!! Well worth every penny!!

SWL

P de Caumette
03-19-2004, 12:35 AM
Thanks for the tips Ian.
Keep on rockin\' ! images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/cool.gif images/icons/mad.gif

Ricardo, I have the pod as well. I use it more for Jeff Beck type of tones and it sounds very good. You won\'t be disappointed. For real clean sounds, I like the GT6 better but I also have an Avalon guitar preamp that I usually use over anything else.

P de Caumette
03-19-2004, 08:17 AM
SWL,

you don\'t happen to have the same PodXt automation template for Cubase SX PC by any chance?

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SWL
03-19-2004, 09:56 AM
Hey P,

No, sorry i do not .... i\'m not aware of Steinberg having a sort of \'environment\' like Logic. If i recall, a 5.0 mixer map would do this, but i think Steinberg cut out that code with SX.

Although, if you are on a PC with Cubase, i\'d use the Guitar Port editor via USB. That way you can edit with the pretty Guitar Port GUI, and run the XT as an input souncard for reamping. (Does SX allow mutiple WDM drivers?) Although, you wont be able to automate ... hmmmmm, too bad Cubase doesnt offer similar control over external midi devices.

SWL

P de Caumette
03-19-2004, 10:09 AM
SWL,

Unfortunately, I don\'t think SX offers that level of flexibility. images/icons/frown.gif

I\'ll try to go through my Avalon DI first, split the signal, with one going into the pod and the other going into SX clean. I can then use that one for re-amping...

RICARDO BOTTICELLI
03-20-2004, 03:12 PM
so !!!what about listen some mp3 showing the pod xt pro sounds?
you guys rocks images/icons/smile.gif
sorry about my delay to reply.
busy times images/icons/smile.gif